Able Xavier Converts to Islam (39 Viewers)

[IrishZebra]

I'm not using it as factual evidence. You're trying to prove that God doesn't exist because of a) b) c). Now I'm telling you that God and a) b) c) can co-exist.

This is by no means proof of God's existence though.

If you want to say God made somebody someway you have to back up the statement, you can have your faith just don't use it as a fact in a discussion becasue faith is not fact.

 

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[Martin]

I'm not sure I entirely understand your point I'm afraid.

The very same people are arguing this:
1) god is all powerful, we must surrender to him
2) Israel is completely overpowering, and yet we must fight back

If you reject one dictatorship, why not all? If you submit to one ruler, why not all?

Now wait a minute, I'm not saying that if one could be born gay, God wants him to act like a gay man. We each have our cross to bear remember.

Maybe then God shouldn't have fucking made him gay, huh? "If god makes a cat, that doesn't mean he wants him to act like a cat".

I know atheists will generally claim that one is born gay, but I'm not entirely sure of that either. It's not such an easy subject, because a lot of lesbian action groups have actually claimed that one chooses to be a lesbian and we also see people in jails "becoming" gay. I would not quite say that it is scientific fact that one is born gay yet.

It doesn't even matter. What matters is that god, the asshole that he is, made him gay. He CREATED the whole problem. So what we need to do is help gay people, not spit at them for being something that god made them.

 

[Martin]

Good point. But all I was saying was that even if you don't accept God, there's nothing you can do. Fortunately enough I do accept God and I don't accept Israel.

If you don't accept Israel there's also nothing you can do.

Gays are not a species. It is either a genetic of a behaviourial component of someone. It is by no means defining, because if you wanted to, you could always refrain from having sex. It's not as if someone is asking you to fly.

For god's sake man, being gay is not the same as having sex. If a gay man never has sex once in his whole life that doesn't make him any less gay. god almighty

People interpret help in very different ways.

Yes, I'm sure there are some people in Israel who feel they are helping the Palestinians get off their land, for example.

 

[IrishZebra]

I didn't say God made anybody. I never even said God existed.

But if God exists, he made us and if he made us, he made us the way he wants us to be. Now if he made someone gay (which I don't think he did, because there is not entirely sure one is born gay), there's a reason he made him gay. Either because he wants to show the world that it's okay to be gay or because he wants the man to fight his urges.

Sorry, I thought you were just saying god made them for XYZ reasons,my mistake

 

[Dostoevsky]

Martin, you never had sex didn't you..It's why you don't believe in God!

Even if he exists, you think he's evil, because of the same thing.

 

[IrishZebra]

Martin, you never had sex didn't you..It's why you don't believe in God!

Even if he exists, you think he's evil, because of the same thing.

That's it, you're getting surprise sexed.

 

[Martin]

Martin, you never had sex didn't you..It's why you don't believe in God!

Even if he exists, you think he's evil, because of the same thing.

I don't "think" he's evil, he's clearly evil from what his believers are telling me about him.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I don't "think" he's evil, he's clearly evil from what his believers are telling me about him.

Would one be evil if he created life, you?

 

[IrishZebra]

Would one be evil if he created life, you?

And created Moratti

 

[Martin]

Would one be evil if he created life, you?

Are you asleep or something? Did you miss the part where he killed every single organism on the planet except Noah and his goddamn ark? This is a "loving creator", is it? Show me a cruel one then, I dare you.

 

[Martin]

It wouldn't make him any less gay, no. But surely God would judge on your actions, rather than your nature. If God made you gay (which is a premisse I don't fully accept, but okay) and then you fought that nature with succes only to be punished in the afterlife because you are gay, it would be one strange sadistic path.

He created you in a way that you have to fight your own nature your whole life. That's not sadistic enough for you?

 

[IrishZebra]

fought that nature .

Nature always wins.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Are you asleep or something? Did you miss the part where he killed every single organism on the planet except Noah and his goddamn ark? This is a "loving creator", is it? Show me a cruel one then, I dare you.

Maybe evil took over? Like Cacliopoli. You wonder why we don't have eternal life? What would be the meaning in life if we still had Hitler alive.

 

[IrishZebra]

Maybe evil took over? Like Cacliopoli. You wonder why we don't have eternal life? What would be the meaning in life if we still had Hitler alive.

Your blood sugar is spiking, get some food into you quick.

 

[Martin]

Maybe evil took over? Like Cacliopoli. You wonder why we don't have eternal life? What would be the meaning in life if we still had Hitler alive.

Dude, he created evil himself, remember? God is the creator, if something exists, it means he created it.

Thanks for evil, god, we love it!

 

[Dostoevsky]

He created you in a way that you have to fight your own nature your whole life. That's not sadistic enough for you?

Well you're making your career.

What makes your World perfect so you would say there's someone up there? Many women making you happy, wealth, eternal life, no wars and life time happiness?

 

[Dostoevsky]

Your blood sugar is spiking, get some food into you quick.

I could use some food tbh.

Dude, he created evil himself, remember? God is the creator, if something exists, it means he created it.

Thanks for evil, god, we love it!

God created people. People invented evil.

How do you see the creation of life by the way? Like an RPG, where God creates characters, picking their good or evil side, making them gay or bisexual?

You're a normal guy, you go buy a weapon (which was invented by people themselves) and kill somebody. Did God do that?

 

[Martin]

Well you're making your career.

What makes your World perfect so you would say there's someone up there? Many women making you happy, wealth, eternal life, no wars and life time happiness?

You're not making much sense today. IZ is right, you should eat something.

What does my life being perfect have anything to do with a figment on people's imagination? If our lives are not perfect it's because we're not able to make them so. Fantasizing about a supernatural man has nothing to do with it.

 

[Martin]

God created people. People invented evil.

I see, so the all knowing god did not know that when he created people with a capacity for evil, they would do evil things? The one who knows all did not think of this?

How do you see the creation of life by the way? Like an RPG, where God creates characters, picking their good or evil side, making them gay or bisexual?

I can't answer that, I don't know what his Control Panel looks like.

You're a normal guy, you go buy a weapon (which was invented by people themselves) and kill somebody. Did God do that?

How about killing thousands of people in earthquakes, tsunamis, bacterial diseases and assorted "natural disasters"? Clearly that has nothing to do with what humans do. That's all god's work. Thanks, god.

 

[IrishZebra]

If god invented people everything that happens after is on her head.