Zlatan Ibrahimovic (6 Viewers)
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It's not as clearcut as you make it out be. Zingaro has been used as an insult for as long as I can remember. A lot of that has got to do with how zingari behave. I think that, in some cases, it's very subtle. For example, I could be badly dressed and someone could call me a zingaro, even though he doesn't think zingari are subhuman. It's just because in popular culture one likes to think zingari dress badly. That said I think it's completely wrong in this particular case. Calling Zlatan a zingaro is a downright racist and xenophobic insult, but it's not so much the word, it's the context (especially the Italian context).
It's not the same, but there are similarities. In all fairness I don't see what this can possibly add to the discussion. It's not important whether it carries the same weight or not.
It's not the same, but there are similarities. In all fairness I don't see what this can possibly add to the discussion. It's not important whether it carries the same weight or not.
Really weak deflective tactic you have opted for Andy. You are the one who said they are SAME, and compared them to be exact, thats what I am arguing against. Whats next, anti-americanism is EXACTLY like anti-semitism?
Just because you cant argue for your case whatsoever, doesnt mean I should do it for you word for word, what do you want? That I argue MY point of view and YOURS at the same friggin time?
Argue with myself? .
Saying both are insults (well duh), hence carry the same weight, doesnt cut it at all. Extremely weak if you just state then but then run away when asked how or why. If its really the best you can do, why you are keep repeating yourself?
Just because you cant argue for your case whatsoever, doesnt mean I should do it for you word for word, what do you want? That I argue MY point of view and YOURS at the same friggin time?
Argue with myself? . Saying both are insults (well duh), hence carry the same weight, doesnt cut it at all. Extremely weak if you just state then but then run away when asked how or why. If its really the best you can do, why you are keep repeating yourself?
Really weak tactic you have opted for. You are the one who said they are SAME, and compared them to be exact, thats what I am arguing against. Whats next, anti-americanism is EXACTLY like anti-semitism?
Just because you cant argue for your case whatsoever, doesnt mean I should do it for you word for word, what do you want? That I argue MY point of view and YOURS at the same friggin time?.
Saying both are insults, hence exactly the same, doesnt cut it at all. Extremely weak. Its really the best you can do, why you are keep repeating yourself?
Just because you cant argue for your case whatsoever, doesnt mean I should do it for you word for word, what do you want? That I argue MY point of view and YOURS at the same friggin time?
. Saying both are insults, hence exactly the same, doesnt cut it at all. Extremely weak. Its really the best you can do, why you are keep repeating yourself?
All the proof needed to know you're a bigot and a racist.
Yesterday I was just saying that I might stop calling him Zingaro just so Alen doesn't feel offended. And because I understand him and I respected the point he was trying to say/make. If I was a racist I wouldn't have really cared.
What some dickarms around here can't get is that, their definitions of Gypsies is different than my definition and other ppl's definition. You got this Dominc, god knows what experience he has in this life and If he has ever talked to a Gypsy or even knows what a Gypsy is.... he calls me a racist. what an arrogant prick.
You got Osman the retard, begging some of my fellow Mods and probably sending them PM's 24/7 wondering how is it normal to call Zlatan a Zingaro. And making big drama out of it.
Like I said, when I call Zlatan Zingaro, I'm not making any racist remarks/comments, I'm not pointing at Yugoslavia or Nicaragua. Calling someone Gypsy is not an insult but like I said I'm welling to stop for the reasons I gave up there and not because of the retarded Osman or any of Zlatan fans.
Each one is free to believe what Gypsy refers too.
Also, anyone calling me a racist can go fuck himself. Simple as that. You might want to excuse my language too, but calling someone a Racist isn't really that polite either.
What some dickarms around here can't get is that, their definitions of Gypsies is different than my definition and other ppl's definition. You got this Dominc, god knows what experience he has in this life and If he has ever talked to a Gypsy or even knows what a Gypsy is.... he calls me a racist. what an arrogant prick.
You got Osman the retard, begging some of my fellow Mods and probably sending them PM's 24/7 wondering how is it normal to call Zlatan a Zingaro. And making big drama out of it.
Like I said, when I call Zlatan Zingaro, I'm not making any racist remarks/comments, I'm not pointing at Yugoslavia or Nicaragua. Calling someone Gypsy is not an insult but like I said I'm welling to stop for the reasons I gave up there and not because of the retarded Osman or any of Zlatan fans.
Each one is free to believe what Gypsy refers too.
Also, anyone calling me a racist can go fuck himself. Simple as that. You might want to excuse my language too, but calling someone a Racist isn't really that polite either.
And I am entirely free to believe what Lebanese refers to. If I say it's a synonym to Chinese, I would look very stupid. Just the way you are looking right now.
Just keep digging, attention-whore. There have been numerous great arguments in this thread from many posters on why it is offensive to call Zlatan a gypsie, but you just managed to ignore all of them completely. Never respond, just keep being a stubborn bigot.
Just keep digging, attention-whore. There have been numerous great arguments in this thread from many posters on why it is offensive to call Zlatan a gypsie, but you just managed to ignore all of them completely. Never respond, just keep being a stubborn bigot.
There is a very simple question that can be asked: If it is SO OK to say something like zingaro, why were we, Juventus the club, fined for racism chants for saying exactly that? Hmm?
Should I look out for pigs flying whle waiting for your logical response to this? You wont just ignore the question like everything else right? If its not "racist" to say it, why was the biggiest club in Italy fined for exacly that?
Is there some convenient way you can justify this, that sounds clever in your little head? I mean, we wouldnt want to be robbed of gems like "gypsies arent a group of people, they are spread around the world, you see...". And now the latest, "each is free to think what gypsy refers to"?
How swell, I henceforth join you in the zingaro chanting camp, because in my definition from now on, gypsy means annoying little norwegian truckdriving idiots I stumbled upon too often nowadays in diners. The fucking idiots are unbearable. Zingaros!!
Should I look out for pigs flying whle waiting for your logical response to this? You wont just ignore the question like everything else right? If its not "racist" to say it, why was the biggiest club in Italy fined for exacly that?
Is there some convenient way you can justify this, that sounds clever in your little head? I mean, we wouldnt want to be robbed of gems like "gypsies arent a group of people, they are spread around the world, you see...". And now the latest, "each is free to think what gypsy refers to"?
How swell, I henceforth join you in the zingaro chanting camp, because in my definition from now on, gypsy means annoying little norwegian truckdriving idiots I stumbled upon too often nowadays in diners. The fucking idiots are unbearable. Zingaros!!
One can easily make an argument against that point, too. Politics and law in Italy is corrupt, so just like our punishment for supposed crimes we did not commit in Calciopoli, we could have been given a BS penalty just for the sake of it.
I'm not saying I agree with that stance, but you never know about some of these rulings.
I'm not saying I agree with that stance, but you never know about some of these rulings.
Pointless post because that would be a useless argument (Just because some things are corrupt, doesnt make EVERY ruling invalid due to being corrupt by
2association"). Italy isnt exactly one of the countries in western Europe who has the strictest policy on tolerance (Denmark being another similarily lovely country). You better believe that when they bother to give fines on racism charges, that its for real about a xenophobic chanting.
And like it would fly if it was totally bogus. Like the myriad of lawyers the club has is just for show, that they would take PR disaster punitive measures just for the heck of it.
2association"). Italy isnt exactly one of the countries in western Europe who has the strictest policy on tolerance (Denmark being another similarily lovely country). You better believe that when they bother to give fines on racism charges, that its for real about a xenophobic chanting.
And like it would fly if it was totally bogus. Like the myriad of lawyers the club has is just for show, that they would take PR disaster punitive measures just for the heck of it.
Or more likely, if racist and xenophobic words are accepted and allowed to escalate&breed more and more hatred, that exactly in itself is more likely to lead to more violence.
The history books show exactly that, that "just words" lead to the advanced stages of violent actions if those words are in the nature of being strongly hateful ones.