You're going to hell if you __________ (7 Viewers)

[Martin]

You'll get a therapist.

 

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[Lawnchair Bes]

You know, I think I'm actually part of the only people in the entire world who cannot link their own failure to either racism or discrimination. I'm a 21 year old white European agnostic man FFS. Doesn't that just suck? What am I going to do if I'm not good at my job and get fired?

become gay

 

[Seven]

I could convert to Islam and say they kicked me out because they thought I was about to convert myself. Would be cheaper.

 

[Zé Tahir]

yes bro, louder than the actions of any other group. the same reason that i always point out when juventus plays bad, or why i looked like someone who hates del peiro for such a long time. ask alen or cronos or anyone who was involved in the kosovo independence thread.

i also remember when someone (i believe it was you) who said that muslim albanians are trying to change countries like holland and i pointed out that i have nothing in common with those people. the guy's death, all because of a work of art, is in part the responsibility of memeber of a suppossedly religion of peace and you another member of same religion are excusing it.

Excusing what?

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

the death

 

[Zé Tahir]

the death

Of Theo Van Gogh??

I excused it?? Please show me where I excused it.

 

[Alen]

This is what I find funny:



This guy, Puin, a specialist in Arabic caligraphy and Koranic paleography finds these differences in the Qu'ran that no one else was able to find Man, even the diggers who supposedly put the partchments in bags and put them away could have seen differences. I finished reading the Qur'an when I was four years old and I've probably read it in its completion probably over 50x since then.I could have seen a difference. I don't need a non-Muslim expert from Germany to come and tell me that.

Come on, the author of the article picked this info to make his case stronger with the readers who aren't familiar with the Qur'an.
Puin isn't basing his case at all on these things. These were just few things seen during his preliminary inspection. As normal and easily noticable these things are, as a scientist he still had to mention them.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

and he should have died because of that?

Hey I don't call all Albanians retards so maybe you can find yourself to accept that there are all types of Muslims.



I haven't seen it entirely but I've seen screen shots of it. I don't really care to see it though. Not because it's offensive but because its retarded and so is he.

i am still waiting to hear you condemn their actions.

lol what? Do you think I represent all Muslims? Do you come on here and condemn all negative Albanian actions?

here it is

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

Hey Bes, I asked you some time back in a different thread without receiving a reply, that why would someone who is a non-believer (I am assuming that the non-believer doesn't believe in the existence of heaven or hell) would find it offensive if he was told 'you're going to hell'- shouldn't you be thinking like- 'yeah right, it doesn't even exist'. Or did you not reply because it won't offend you?

sorry i just saw this too. it wouldn't offend me, i doubt anyone else would be offended

 

[Alen]

"Go to hell" shouldn't be an offense even for the believers.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

and more often than not, it isn't

 

[Martin]

"Go to hell" shouldn't be an offense even for the believers.

Well, it's a threat they get every sunday, sometimes sugar coated

 

[Zé Tahir]

here it is

I don't know how on earth you got the idea that I excused those who want to kill him from that. If you look over that post again, I was saying that there are good Muslims and bad Muslims just as there are good Albanians and bad Albanians. I don't bunch everyone together and generalize all of them so maybe you should find it in your heart to do the same. That make more sense now?


Btw, I just proved God right now My car hasn't been turning on all day and I've talked to three different mechanics and they all had their own theories. All of them which would have cost me a lot of headache and money. I even had a friend come out and try to make it work. I just went out right now and said Bismillah-a-Rahman-ar-Raheem (In the name of God the Gracious the Merciful) and did some McGyver shit and boom! It's working now

 

[Alen]

Anyway, Ze, if you have nothing against it, i will stop this discussion.

I'm 100% convinced that the Qur'an is a work of men. Completely.
Can it be proven? I think it can be easily proven if/when the Muslims decide that it's time to prove it.
There is a lot at stake if something like that is proven today. I'd go as far as saying that the faith of the world is at stake. No-one with enough power, both in the muslim world and in the west, wants something like that proven atm and everything will be done so it won't be proven.
Only a crazy person would seriously try to prove it, and even he/she won't be allowed to do it.
It's just not the time to do it.

Yes, i'm aware how this sounds, but i believe that's how it is.
Since we obviously have completely different opinion and i surely can't prove beyond any doubt that the Qur'an is a work of men, i don't see why should we continue the discussion.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

You are all going to hell because I am God and I am only letting hot girls and Kaizer Chiefs fans into my promised land.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Anyway, Ze, if you have nothing against it, i will stop this discussion.

I'm 100% convinced that the Qur'an is a work of men. Completely.
Can it be proven? I think it can be easily proven if/when the Muslims decide that it's time to prove it.
There is a lot at stake if something like that is proven today. I'd go as far as saying that the faith of the world is at stake. No-one with enough power, both in the muslim world and in the west, wants something like that proven atm and everything will be done so it won't be proven.
Only a crazy person would seriously try to prove it, and even he/she won't be allowed to do it.
It's just not the time to do it.

Yes, i'm aware how this sounds, but i believe that's how it is.
Since we obviously have completely different opinion and i surely can't prove beyond any doubt that the Qur'an is a work of men, i don't see why should we continue the discussion.

With all due respect, this discussion should never have taken place in the first place. I'm naive to discuss a subject you have 0 knowledge about. Anyone that makes a statement that their 100% sure that it's a work of men without reading the book shouldn't be taken seriously (if you had read it then we would have something to discuss).

 

[Alen]

With all due respect, this discussion should never have taken place in the first place. I'm naive to discuss a subject you have 0 knowledge about. Anyone that makes a statement that their 100% sure that it's a work of men without reading the book shouldn't be taken seriously (if you had read it then we would have something to discuss).

I'm reading it, almost done.

 

[Bjerknes]

I thought the Koran was written by Mohammed's companions?

 

[Zé Tahir]

I'm reading it, almost done.

Nice. How far are you? Have you read Sura Al Rahman yet?

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

I don't know how on earth you got the idea that I excused those who want to kill him from that. If you look over that post again, I was saying that there are good Muslims and bad Muslims just as there are good Albanians and bad Albanians. I don't bunch everyone together and generalize all of them so maybe you should find it in your heart to do the same. That make more sense now?


Btw, I just proved God right now My car hasn't been turning on all day and I've talked to three different mechanics and they all had their own theories. All of them which would have cost me a lot of headache and money. I even had a friend come out and try to make it work. I just went out right now and said Bismillah-a-Rahman-ar-Raheem (In the name of God the Gracious the Merciful) and did some McGyver shit and boom! It's working now

dude you are acting as if the guy deserved it. i was expecting you to call out the bad muslims but you didnt. you asked me if i would call out the bad albanians to which i responded "with great pleasure"

so i am asking you more directly now. did the dutch filmmaker guy deserve to die?