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Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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Its in another Sura and actually i wanted someone to ask me about it

Here it is
Sura Alrahman Ayah 33
قال تعالى:
يرسل عليكما شواظ من نار ونحاس فلا تنتصران

You know that my English is poor
so i hope someone will translate it for you
that line doesn't make any sense. write the complete "soura"
 

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Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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You know Ze, you encourage me to read the koran but I don't think you'd be pleased to hear what I would have to say about it (just my gut feeling). I also don't think it would be in very good taste to do a thorough bashing of it.
You should read it. Same as with the Bible.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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ßüякε;1890906 said:
Cobalt compounds have been used for centuries to impart a rich blue color to glass, glazes, and ceramics. Cobalt has been detected in Egyptian sculpture and Persian jewelry from the third millennium BC, in the ruins of Pompeii (destroyed AD 79), and in China dating from the Tang dynasty (AD 618–907) and the Ming dynasty (AD 1368–1644)[3]. Cobalt glass ingots have been recovered from the Uluburun shipwreck, dating to the late 14th century BC.
...Like Columbus "discovering" America.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
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You can probably Wiki it. My only point is that knowledge that some sort of germ made people sick (bacteria) was known in most enlightened cultures. With the trade routs of the time it is possible for the information to have traveled that far by Muhammed's time. Believe what you want, I'm not here to sway you one way or the other.
I did wiki it and I found nothing.

I think you're making a very big statement with too much ease (and I'm not saying that you're wrong here) I would really like to know to what extent people's knowledge was of bacteria in the time period you mentioned above.
 

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Oct 11, 2005
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If people keep saying it long enough I just might. As with Pulp Fiction "oh yeah you gotta see it, it's the best movie evar". And then they were most unhappy with my opinion about it.
Who cares if people don't like your opinion. It's never stopped you before.
 
Apr 12, 2004
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I did wiki it and I found nothing.

I think you're making a very big statement with too much ease (and I'm not saying that you're wrong here) I would really like to know to what extent people's knowledge was of bacteria in the time period you mentioned above.
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Hippocrates is credited with healing many, including the king of Macedonia whom he examined and helped to recover from tuberculosis (disease of the lungs). His commitment to healing was put to the test when he battled the plague (a bacteria-caused disease that spreads quickly and can cause death) for three years in Athens (430–427 B.C.E.). It is also clear that the height of his career was during the Peloponnesian War (431–404 B.C.E.).

His teaching was as well-remembered as his healing. A symbol of the many students he encouraged is the "Tree of Hippocrates," which shows students sitting under a tree listening to him. In time he apprenticed his own sons, Thessalus and Draco, in the practice of medicine. The teacher and doctor role combined well in 400 B.C.E., when he founded a school of medicine in Cos.


http://www.notablebiographies.com/He-Ho/Hippocrates.html
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
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That could mean anything. Do you have the verses before and after? To provide context.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=55&verse=32

ßüякε;1890910 said:
I don't even think that is clear enough to say that means "meteors".
True. I meant in terms of what Something is implying.

You know Ze, you encourage me to read the koran but I don't think you'd be pleased to hear what I would have to say about it (just my gut feeling). I also don't think it would be in very good taste to do a thorough bashing of it.

That is to say, unless I did find it to make an air tight case, which one doubts. We've seen already that Alen has plenty of doubts about it, I doubt I would be less skeptical.
I don't see why you would have to resort to insults. I would expect you come with some valid arguments and that we could discuss it civilized. I don't need your threats :D It's entirely up to you whether you read it or not.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
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Ze for God sake
Cobalt is called in Arabic
نحاس

just read it again
I don't speak Arabic compadre. If you want to discuss something and yell out "OMG, I can't believe you don't believe this! I will prove it to you aglaldllfa!!" then at least put some effort into your argument. Presenting everyone with quotes of the Qur'an in Arabic and then saying "sorry I can't translate it" isn't exactly going to give you any credibility here.
 
Apr 12, 2004
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I don't speak Arabic compadre. If you want to discuss something and yell out "OMG, I can't believe you don't believe this! I will prove it to you aglaldllfa!!" then at least put some effort into your argument. Presenting everyone with quotes of the Qur'an in Arabic and then saying "sorry I can't translate it" isn't exactly going to give you any credibility here.
Dude, he can barely make his subjects and verbs agree and you are going to go ESPANISH ON HIM!?!?!?
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Who cares if people don't like your opinion. It's never stopped you before.
Problem for Martin is that he's been berated with it for so long, it's not going to be an enjoyable experience. Even among believers, few could open Genesis and start out thinking, "I'm sure that's exactly how things happened. Of course it must be true and my faith is resolute!"

IMO. it would be better start only without the determination to dismiss it as bunk ... i.e., when you're stuck in a Louisiana hotel room during a hurricane with no other reading material for a few days.
 

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Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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I did wiki it and I found nothing.

I think you're making a very big statement with too much ease (and I'm not saying that you're wrong here) I would really like to know to what extent people's knowledge was of bacteria in the time period you mentioned above.
No more than you are.

To answer your question. People's knowledge of bacteria aka germs was virtually nil before Hyppocrates came around.

Hyppocrates is known as the father of medicine. He discovered that people became sick when they remained unclean. He knew that uncleanliness lead you do become ill, and that very small entities were responsible for illness. Hence, the "discovery" of bacteria.

http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/Museum/hippoc.html Plenty of sources on this one.
 

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