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Tickle Me
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Just that Hippocrates discovered bacteria between 460 and 340 BC. The Quo' ran was written in 633 CE(AD).

I saw a post claiming that bacteria was mentioned in the Quo'ran along with Colbalt, so there for it was god handing the information down. That's all.
 
Apr 12, 2004
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I know that my English is shit
but come on it was very easy and very clear Burke


Just tell me what is it exactly that you didn't understand from that post?


Fine
will you agree if i told u that the cobalt was discovered in 1737
and that it can be found in a large amount in Meteors or Meteoroids
the information which was discovered just few years ago?


U know Burke
Convincing an atheist that God does exist when he/she already made up his/her mind is just like convincing someone with the fact that the man walked on the moon no matter what you said

And one more thing for Martin here before quiting this thread
When you said that the universe is timeless and so could be God
you sounded like comparing the a created thing with its creator
like comparing a door and the carpenter who made it which doesn't make any sense at all

Creator doesn't have to share anything with what he creates
and here is the main issue and that's why i told u several times that God is unique in just everything and there is nothing like him and he is not sharing any of his characteristics with anything else and that's why he is God
I can't understand any of that post. You say: "information which was discovered just few years ago?" you put a question mark on the end when there is no question, and a few years ago? few = 3 So what are you talking about?


And what the fuck does that mean? That you think there was no man on the moon, or that some don't think there was a man on the moon? Because those people are dumb.

And your convincing me of a God is about as likely as my convincing you that there isn't one, so it makes no sense to argue. My point is, why did you bring Cobalt up in the first place? Because we discovered it in 1737 or whatever, but the Koran mentioned it years before? That doesn't make sense, because I'm sure it does not say "Cobalt" but instead some "blue substance" which could be thousands of different things.

The fact is, you can't speak English well enough to convey your points.

It's not your fault, and I'm not trying to rip on you, I just think that is what the problem is.
 

BlanquiNegro

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Mar 28, 2006
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Its in another Sura and actually i wanted someone to ask me about it

Here it is
Sura Alrahman Ayah 33
قال تعالى:
يرسل عليكما شواظ من نار ونحاس فلا تنتصران

You know that my English is poor
so i hope someone will translate it for you
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
Its in another Sura and actually i wanted someone to ask me about it

Here it is
Sura Alrahman Ayah 33
قال تعالى:
يرسل عليكما شواظ من نار ونحاس فلا تنتصران

You know that my English is poor
so i hope someone will translate it for you
Today, I asked a guy a simple question 8 times and he answered in sentence fragments and statements that ended with question marks. FML
 

swag

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And who said that basteria is mentioned in Quran?

But did any one mention that the Oxygen will get less and less when going higher and higher in the sky?
Not trying to be disrespectful or anything, but this is the kind of example that puzzles me. How can someone suggest their religious faith is confirmed because their holy text references a computer-aided, falsely-colored image produced by NASA in 1994 of a naturally green planetary nebula (falsely colored to make it look red) ... and yet something as fundamental to life as bacteria is not mentioned anywhere, and yet that fact is somehow unimportant and inconsequential? If you're going to look the other way at all, shouldn't it be at the small stuff more than the big stuff?

It's just real confusing to me, like a selective cherry-picking of what's meaningful and what isn't. As a grad student I learned that the art of statistics is choosing your data and your rules in such a way as to have it tell any story you want. The challenge is to overcome your biases, include all the data and all the possibilities, and not seek only self-fulfilling prophecies.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Its in another Sura and actually i wanted someone to ask me about it

Here it is
Sura Alrahman Ayah 33
قال تعالى:
يرسل عليكما شواظ من نار ونحاس فلا تنتصران

You know that my English is poor
so i hope someone will translate it for you
That's useless, we don't read arabic. Just tell us what it says.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Dec 10, 2004
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How so?

It seems this guy is very pleased, but why should his life story convince anyone else? And I don't mean anyone at all, but someone who is purposefully skeptical.

Btw his accent is :cool:
I just said it was interesting, didn't mean you would want to convert :D

Just that Hippocrates discovered bacteria between 460 and 340 BC. The Quo' ran was written in 633 CE(AD).
I can't find anything on this. Do you have a source by any chance?

I saw a post claiming that bacteria was mentioned in the Quo'ran along with Colbalt, so there for it was god handing the information down. That's all.
Well, Bacteria is mentioned in the Qu'ran (don't know about Cobalt). Even if Hippocrates did discover Bacteria it's still amazing that an illiterate man from the most backward part of Arabia just happened to know about it. It wasn't like Prophet Muhammad could have google'd it.
 
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[/b]Not trying to be disrespectful or anything, but this is the kind of example that puzzles me. How can someone suggest their religious faith is confirmed because their holy text references a computer-aided, falsely-colored image produced by NASA in 1994 of a naturally green planetary nebula (falsely colored to make it look red) ... and yet something as fundamental to life as bacteria is not mentioned anywhere, and yet that fact is somehow unimportant and inconsequential?

It's just real confusing to me, like a selective cherry-picking of what's meaningful and what isn't. As a grad student I learned that the art of statistics is choosing your data and your rules in such a way as to have it tell any story you want. The challenge is to overcome your biases, include all the data and all the possibilities, and not seek only self-fulfilling prophecies.


:clap:




And bolded: :lol2: I want to have your children.
 

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Tickle Me
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I can't find anything on this. Do you have a source by any chance?

Well, Bacteria is mentioned in the Qu'ran (don't know about Cobalt). Even if Hippocrates did discover Bacteria it's still amazing that an illiterate man from the most backward part of Arabia just happened to know about it. It wasn't like Prophet Muhammad could have google'd it.
You can probably Wiki it. My only point is that knowledge that some sort of germ made people sick (bacteria) was known in most enlightened cultures. With the trade routs of the time it is possible for the information to have traveled that far by Muhammed's time. Believe what you want, I'm not here to sway you one way or the other.
 

BlanquiNegro

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ßüякε;1890888 said:
I can't understand any of that post. You say: "information which was discovered just few years ago?" you put a question mark on the end when there is no question, and a few years ago? few = 3 So what are you talking about?


And what the fuck does that mean? That you think there was no man on the moon, or that some don't think there was a man on the moon? Because those people are dumb.

And your convincing me of a God is about as likely as my convincing you that there isn't one, so it makes no sense to argue. My point is, why did you bring Cobalt up in the first place? Because we discovered it in 1737 or whatever, but the Koran mentioned it years before? That doesn't make sense, because I'm sure it does not say "Cobalt" but instead some "blue substance" which could be thousands of different things.

The fact is, you can't speak English well enough to convey your points.

It's not your fault, and I'm not trying to rip on you, I just think that is what the problem is.
My english is not the prob here

The cobalt has been mentioned in Quran frankly by its well known name
Cobalt = نحاس
You can ask any arabic member here

and second thing
it has been mentioned frankly also that it is one of the meteroids composition


Pls dont tell me that my point is not clear enough here
 
Apr 12, 2004
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Well, Bacteria is mentioned in the Qu'ran (don't know about Cobalt). Even if Hippocrates did discover Bacteria it's still amazing that an illiterate man from the most backward part of Arabia just happened to know about it. It wasn't like Prophet Muhammad could have google'd it.
Maybe someone read him a book about the great Greek thinkers, and he thought it was a good enough joke that he could put it in his book and everyone would think it was funny.

"Haha these guys think there are small things all over the place, I've got to put this in here...."

Something like that.
 

Zé Tahir

JhoolayLaaaal!
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Its in another Sura and actually i wanted someone to ask me about it

Here it is
Sura Alrahman Ayah 33
قال تعالى:
يرسل عليكما شواظ من نار ونحاس فلا تنتصران

You know that my English is poor
so i hope someone will translate it for you
There are English translations that you can find online btw. I read this verse and it mentions meteors but nothing about cobalt. I'm not sure where you got that from.

[55:36] There shall be sent against you a flame of fire, and smoke; and you shall not be able to help yourselves.
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
My english is not the prob here

The cobalt has been mentioned in Quran frankly by its well known name
Cobalt = نحاس
You can ask any arabic member here

and second thing
it has been mentioned frankly also that it is one of the meteroids composition


Pls dont tell me that my point is not clear enough here
So we got the name Cobalt from Arabic?


Cobalt compounds have been used for centuries to impart a rich blue color to glass, glazes, and ceramics. Cobalt has been detected in Egyptian sculpture and Persian jewelry from the third millennium BC, in the ruins of Pompeii (destroyed AD 79), and in China dating from the Tang dynasty (AD 618–907) and the Ming dynasty (AD 1368–1644)[3]. Cobalt glass ingots have been recovered from the Uluburun shipwreck, dating to the late 14th century BC.[4]

Swedish chemist Georg Brandt (1694–1768) is credited with isolating cobalt circa 1735.[5] He was able to show that cobalt was the source of the blue color in glass, which previously had been attributed to the bismuth found with cobalt. The word cobalt is derived from the German kobalt, from kobold meaning "goblin", a term used for the ore of cobalt by miners. The first attempts at smelting the cobalt ores to produce cobalt metal failed, yielding cobalt(II) oxide instead. Also,because the primary ores of cobalt always contain arsenic, smelting the ore oxidized into the highly toxic and volatile oxide As4O6, which was inhaled by workers.
During the 19th century, cobalt blue was produced at the Norwegian Blaafarveværket (70–80% of world production), led by the Prussian industrialist Benjamin Wegner.

In 1938, John Livingood and Glenn Seaborg discovered cobalt-60. This isotope was famously used at Columbia University in the 1950s to establish parity violation in beta decay.
 

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There are English translations that you can find online btw. I read this verse and it mentions meteors but nothing about cobalt. I'm not sure where you got that from.
That could mean anything. Do you have the verses before and after? To provide context.
 

Martin

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You know Ze, you encourage me to read the koran but I don't think you'd be pleased to hear what I would have to say about it (just my gut feeling). I also don't think it would be in very good taste to do a thorough bashing of it.

That is to say, unless I did find it to make an air tight case, which one doubts. We've seen already that Alen has plenty of doubts about it, I doubt I would be less skeptical.
 

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