You're going to hell if you __________ (10 Viewers)

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

because i believe you can believe you can believe in god and believe in science....................just as you can be straight male but like cock in anus

That's like a doctor not believing in Stem Cell research.

Sure you can believe in GRAVITY, but most don't believe in the Big Bang, or Dinosaurs, or that the Earth is more than 10,000 years old.

 

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[Il Re]

It is an ethical problem indeed. The problem with most of the believers is that they can't accept the idea of questioning God's existence. Therefore, cloning a human 100% will oblige them whether they like it or not to wonder if God really exists.

why does the cloning of a human bring forth the question of does god exist?

 

[Martin]

It is an ethical problem indeed. The problem with most of the believers is that they can't accept the idea of questioning God's existence. Therefore, cloning a human 100% will oblige them whether they like it or not to wonder if God really exists.

I don't think that's the end of religion. Religions are not static, they are forced to adapt to the civilizations in which they operate. So suppose that across the street from your house you get a cloning booth. 25 bucks, 15 minutes, you get a copy of yourself. Religions gradually have to give up more and more stuff "okay that thing isn't god, that's just science. but god is still doing these other things". And that's not gonna change.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

why does the cloning of a human bring forth the question of does god exist?

[Genesis]"God can only create life."[/Genesis]

 

[Alen]

I read it.

Ze, do you think that Quran is a master-piece of such a quality that no human can match it? And do you think, as the Qur'an says, that it is clear and easy to understand?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

I read it.

Ze, do you think that Quran is a master-piece of such a quality that no human can match it? And do you think, as the Qur'an says, that it is clear and easy to understand?

Humans have already matched it.

The Bible out-sells it all the time.

 

[Azzurri7]

why does the cloning of a human bring forth the question of does god exist?

I don't think that's the end of religion. Religions are not static, they are forced to adapt to the civilizations in which they operate. So suppose that across the street from your house you get a cloning booth. 25 bucks, 15 minutes, you get a copy of yourself. Religions gradually have to give up more and more stuff "okay that thing isn't god, that's just science. but god is still doing these other things". And that's not gonna change.

But it will still break the formals written in religious books.

For example, in Quraan, it says that God is the only creator on earth. Cloning a human would simply break this rule that is written in Quraan by God.


Which means??

 

[Il Re]

[Genesis]"God can only create life."[/Genesis]

yes but when a man has sex with a women, that's not exactly "god creating life" is it, why is that ok in terms of god creating life but cloning isn't?

 

[Martin]

But it will still break the formals written in religious books.

For example, in Quraan, it says that God is the only creator on earth. Cloning a human would simply break this rule that is written in Quraan by God.


Which means??

They just reinterpret that. They say it was not meant to be taken literally. "Creator" can mean many things, it doesn't have to be the guy in the rubber gloves in the lab, it can be the guy who created the universe and from that everything that happens is still his end product.

But we can try that out right now. Ze, suppose human cloning is possible. How does that affect the holy message?

 

[Il Re]

But it will still break the formals written in religious books.

For example, in Quraan, it says that God is the only creator on earth. Cloning a human would simply break this rule that is written in Quraan by God.


Which means??

yes but did anyone actually see god created the earth? or the universe? or adam and eve? or anything for that matter

what i'm trying to get at is, why would cloning suddenly call into question of weather god created everything when in the first place there is the question of the universe etc

 

[Zé Tahir]

I read it.

Ze, do you think that Quran is a master-piece of such a quality that no human can match it?

Absolutely.

And do you think, as the Qur'an says, that it is clear and easy to understand?

Well yes but that doesn't mean that you won't have to refer to a Hadith or Sunna to better understand something. Nor does it mean that you'll fully understand it after reading it one time. There's just so much to absorb and fully understand. It's a guide for humanity and it addresses different things one runs into in life.

For instance, I listen to music all the time and I've heard certain songs a gazillion times but I've never really paid attention to the words. Then, if I find myself in a situation (such as falling in love) the words of the song spring out at me like never before. I hope that makes sense.

 

[Il Re]

They just reinterpret that. They say it was not meant to be taken literally. "Creator" can mean many things, it doesn't have to be the guy in the rubber gloves in the lab, it can be the guy who created the universe and from that everything that happens is still his end product.

But we can try that out right now. Ze, suppose human cloning is possible. How does that affect the holy message?

that's what i want to know

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

yes but when a man has sex with a women, that's not exactly "god creating life" is it, why is that ok in terms of god creating life but cloning isn't?

Christians, we are dealing with an amateur.



That is why Christians hate on abortion, they think it to be a gift from God and life to begin as soon as God has touched this great immaculate couple......or touched this nice woman through rape.

Remember, Rehan, 90% of life is bullshit, the other 10% is spent cleaning your shoes and watching your step.

 

[Azzurri7]

I read it.

Ze, do you think that Quran is a master-piece of such a quality that no human can match it? And do you think, as the Qur'an says, that it is clear and easy to understand?

That's one of the reasons I said earlier that believing in religious books can be tricky and risky at the same time.

Throughout my life, I never found one single person even "Sheikhs" that can explain the Quraan in a proper way that will match another Sheikhs way of teaching.

Sadly, most of the believers out there, tends to explain things their ways. Which is why I was never into religion since there's no one to explain and enlighten me what it is exactly about.

 

[Il Re]

Christians, we are dealing with an amateur.



That is why Christians hate on abortion, they think it to be a gift from God and life to begin as soon as God has touched this great immaculate couple......or touched this nice woman through rape.

Remember, Rehan, 90% of life is bullshit, the other 10% is spent cleaning your shoes and watching your step.

are you sure it's not allowed in certain circumstances.....i.e. rape, misinterpretation?

 

[Azzurri7]

yes but did anyone actually see god created the earth? or the universe? or adam and eve? or anything for that matter

what i'm trying to get at is, why would cloning suddenly call into question of weather god created everything when in the first place there is the question of the universe etc

Good question. But the cloning message was for the ones that refuses to question God's existence only and not others.

 

[swag]

That's like a doctor not believing in Stem Cell research.

Sure you can believe in GRAVITY, but most don't believe in the Big Bang, or Dinosaurs, or that the Earth is more than 10,000 years old.

I don't buy them as being incompatible, to be honest. The burden of disproof is hard enough in science for just about anything mundane, let alone existential.

I think there are definite incompatibilities in many of the more traditional religious constructs for what they call "God". But if a scientist were to point out the propensity for life to form in just about any inhospitable place on earth and call that "God" -- or that the vacuum of space is essentially raining with the building blocks of life everywhere -- I'm not going to debate him.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

shut up

 

[Il Re]

shut up

by the way burke, in regard to the big bang theory, isn't that a 'theory' one of many possible explainations in the universe? i'm not an expert on this so i can't give too much of a judgement, but surely it's quite hard to say for sure that the universe was created this way, fair enough yes a theory, but 100% certain?

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

before something is called a theory it goes through rigorous and continuous testing