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Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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another point for non-partisan politics

after reading greg's post i came to the realization that he is an old man (no offense, right greg) , with a family, and yet surprisingly enough he doesnt share all his views with the so called conservative media people
Indeed. Greg has always had a level head. And I don't mean a sweet Flat Top. :D
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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:D

And I am definitely one who thinks people are too quick to blame the government. But if Ruud Van Nistelrooj is poaching goals left and right and never getting called offsides for it, I'm supposed to blame that douchebag for that?
 

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Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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And I am definitely one who thinks people are too quick to blame the government. But if Ruud Van Nistelrooj is poaching goals left and right and never getting called offsides for it, I'm supposed to blame that douchebag for that?
Good analogy. Then it is the responsibility of the referee? Otherwise Ruud will keep poaching.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Corporations are rife with abuses. But at the same time, they're an easy target. People will shit in someone's backyard and won't think twice. But when a big, bad, faceless corporation dumps something, it's moral outrage with no connection of personal actions.

One of the alarming trends I see right now that I really hate is the whole bullshit corporate responsibility movement. Not that I want to defend corporations, I just don't want to cover for governments for failing to do their jobs. Business needs to be in the business of, well, business. And that means trying to create and do crap so people can have reasonable jobs to do it, society can progress, etc. It's not a noble cause, it's a necessary one.

The problem with all these corporate responsibility wanks is that they want everyone in business to effectively run side charities, and none of them recognize the inherent and necessary social good achieved by a business trying to achieve business ends. So corporations are now trying to dance around and tell us how green they are, and how they take care of their employees or people in the third world, or whatnot. That's either the job of charitable giving or proper government regulation and enforcement -- or both.

If part of the mission of business becomes social welfare, who the hell is minding the store? We'll all end up flinging our feces at walls in our caves, but we'll feel good about how our choice of a now bankrupt phone company helped the blind. And as an investor, I laugh at all these ridiculous "socially responsible" stocks and mutual funds. How lazy do you have to be to have to turn to some corporation to do your own charitable giving for you? Or to take care of your lack of government action for you when you don't even vote?

Businesses, for efficiency, should basically be in the business of making the maximum profit within the legal rules and regulations set by government -- whether social, environmental, whatever. Then the extra money from all those efficiencies can be voluntarily contributed into whatever additional social or environmental programs of your choice. Having companies try to run a profit business and then give back through the back door is putting the mission on them to do two different things, and consumers should get off their asses and have the freedom, and discipline, to choose how they spend those charitable dollars.

"Buy our product and we'll donate $5 to breast cancer." WTF? How about give me a product $5 cheaper and I give whatever money I want from what's left over in the best way possible?
Eh, sort of. But what do you say when corporations steer government in the first place? Something's gotta give.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Eh, sort of. But what do you say when corporations steer government in the first place? Something's gotta give.
Big problem. No question. But anybody on the stand deserves representation. So the fact that they try to influence government policy at all isn't necessarily the indication of something bad.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Big problem. No question. But anybody on the stand deserves representation. So the fact that they try to influence government policy at all isn't necessarily the indication of something bad.
Well that's just the problem with ideals, isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if companies could lobby for their causes so long as the government would never accommodate evil policy? Surely. Anyone has Santa's number?
 
May 4, 2004
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Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the young Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and Christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgios Maniakos. Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the Serbs and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercenaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land. They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat and from this, the Serbs called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi". The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there. They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Serbian nobles as brave soldiers.
This article is a disaster.. Hahah..
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Well that's just the problem with ideals, isn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if companies could lobby for their causes so long as the government would never accommodate evil policy? Surely. Anyone has Santa's number?
That's not just executive government. It's judicial and legislative. And it's every walk of life, really. These conflicts of interest are merely part of being in a human society.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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This article is a disaster.. Hahah..
Berat comes from Beligrad.
In 14th century the Serbs ruled these parts of the Balkans and the city was named Beli Grad (white city). Only after the Turks came it was renamed to Berat.
Berat comes from Beli Grad.
In Ancient times it was known as Antipathrea and during the early middle ages, before the Bulgarians and then the Serbs concured it, it also carried a Greek name, Pulkeriopolis (spelling?) given to it in honour of Byzantine's emperor Theodosius II sister Pulkeria. (this is 5th century)

Even Albanian historians accept this fact. Why don't you agree with it ?
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Definitely Greggor. Great post. The notion that people would ask business to regulate itself is absurd. That is the responsibility of the government. When businesses take thousands of jobs overseas to get cheaper wages and higher profits, should we blame the businesses for acting like businesses? No. I tend to blame the government for not making the businesses want to keep jobs in the US. The same thing can be said about pollution. It's the government's job to make businesses no want to pollute, through incentives, tax cuts or whatever.
People on Wall Street would hate you. :pumpkin:
 

Vinman

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Jul 16, 2002
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Yeah, maybe we should be more tough on terrorism. Hell, lets just blow up half of the Middle East, an effective way to hamper those evil Arabs.

Torture? So I assume you think water-boarding isn't torture. You would, wouldn't you. In case you don't remember, torture is forbidden by the Geneva Convention. But I'm sure you don't care anyway, just like our government. We have been breaking rules and ethics for years now, so yeah, lets start sawing Arab's teeth off.
The Geneva Convention covers captured enemy soldiers, not the masterminds behind our country's demise...besides, is Al Queda consdered an opposing army, and do they also follow the Geneva Convention ??

Lets just let them do whatever the fuck they want to us, and do nothing in return, because that wouldnt be right




You aren't neutral on this issue. If you were, you would fault our government for our stance and actions in the region and wouldn't label Noam Chomsky a retard.
thats why we are trying to find a solution to make all involved satisfied



Like invading a country for oil while saying Iraq has weapons of mass destruction? Come on here. Our government used 9/11 to finish up the job Georgie's dumbfuck father couldn't finish in the 90's while lying to the American people in the process. They continue to lie and fool people like yourself.[
get your facts straight...oh wait...I forgot that during Desert Storm you were in diapers watching "Barney and Friends"...George Sr and Gen Schwartzkopf wanted to finish the job, but the UN and Colin Powell talked them out of it, saying the job was done when we ran Hussein out of Kuwait...so you believe the lies that liberals like Chomsky feed you

Invading for oil ?? Last time I checked, we are spending more for oil and gas than ever before...

Saddam tried like hell to get nukes, he continued to attack our planes patrolling the "no fly zone", broke every UN sanction that ended the war and wouldnt let the UN nuclear inspectors check to see if he wasnt planning another nuclear program (Israel destroyed their last attempt at starting a reactor)

facts Andrew...FACTS



It shouldn't exist.
then make your last video, strap a bomb to yourself, and do something about it
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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Vinman, I hate to say this, but I don't agree with anything you say in politics:p

The Geneva Convention covers captured enemy soldiers, not the masterminds behind our country's demise...besides, is Al Queda consdered an opposing army, and do they also follow the Geneva Convention ??

Lets just let them do whatever the fuck they want to us, and do nothing in return, because that wouldnt be right
You can't tell me you still believe there is something called Geneva convention!!!

Invading for oil ?? Last time I checked, we are spending more for oil and gas than ever before...
It's not normal people like you, Vinny, that is planned to make use of it. It's Rumsfield, Bush and Co....

You won't note the increase in their wealth, but you can see what happened to the normal Iraqi citizen.

Saddam tried like hell to get nukes, he continued to attack our planes patrolling the "no fly zone", broke every UN sanction that ended the war and wouldnt let the UN nuclear inspectors check to see if he wasnt planning another nuclear program (Israel destroyed their last attempt at starting a reactor)

facts Andrew...FACTS
Pardon, Vinny, but those are not facts.

then make your last video, strap a bomb to yourself, and do something about it
It will be removed. I assure you.
 
Jul 5, 2005
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That article that joe5 posted, it's a complete nonsense IMO.
Then tell me what does it mean the eagle with 2 heads in Albanian flag. Does it have any connection with Byzantine Empire?

well, besides albania and kosovo there are some parts of macedonia and north greece, which are populated by predominantly albanians
I don't what is happening in other countries but in Greece the Albanians who live there, more than 7 years, take the Greek citizenship, they are identified to Greek community and the most of them don't care for returning back to Albania.

And it is very wrong that in North Greece there are big populations of Albanians. Albanians are spreaded in whole Greece and the biggest amount of them lives in Athens, not in north Greece or other place .

not really true..there is no officially recognized albanian minority in greece...unless you are talking about the economic migrants
Maybe he speaks for the Arvanites :p
 

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