I'd love to debate you on Skype...because I dont have all the time that it takes to type what I have to say...but heregoes, anyways-
how fucking weak an argument you present regarding my pride in where I'm from with the fact that I'm not a big USA soccer fan. BIG FUCKING DEAL !!! I gew up watching the Azzurri, and never even knew we had a soccer team until I was in my 20's...BUT, to this day, my favorite sports moment of all time is the USA hockey victory over the Soviets in 1980....I said that enough times before on this forum, but you convieniently forget. And to watch a soccer game on a lined American style football field ala the MLS is just pure blasphemy !!
I don't find it as a weak argument. If you're going to be so passionate about your nation as to blindly defend every act it commits around the world, the logical thing to do would also be support your nation when it comes to sports. It's almost as if you only act as a nationalist when it comes to views on terrorism and foreign policy, the latter you never tend to criticize. Why is that, Vinni?
And now we get to the "open mind" comment....listen, Andrew, you dont have a clue as to my background or anything else...just what little I give you here...but here's a little sample- I have a wife who's family is from Thailand, who have so many differences in culture to what you or I would ever be used to, they have a completely different religion that do we, and I have had to adapt to some of their customs out of respect for my inlaws. I have friends of all nationalities, religions, and even sexual orientations....I can speak and understand enough Italian to get me by in Italy, I also can speak enough Spanish to settle situations on the job, I can understand Thai when my inlaws speak it...the music I listen to is mostly from Europe- shit I guarantee you never heard of, and I live and frequent a city within 90 miles of where I live that has more cultural diversity than almost every city in America. So you can throw that argument right out the window with the rest of the trash that you sphew.
I'm not talking about keeping an open mind towards other people in your life. What I am discussing here is keeping an open mind when it comes to the FOREIGN POLICY of the United States, something you seemingly defend without reason every single time something such as this works its way into the forum. You have defended the Iraq war wholeheartedly even through this day, defend the way we blatantly disregard Palestine and support Israel wholeheartedly, do not acknowledge the fact that the our country only acts when it wants to (usually only when it benefits us), and consider our government correct in pretty much every foreign policy plan we've had in the past 8 years. Why is that? Why defend all this shit when it's wrong? Why don't you realize that what we have done in all sorts of nations has been wrong?
Why do you think so many people around the world hate us, Vinni? Is it because we're "THE BEST !!"? Are all these people "jealous" of us? Perhaps a few people are "jealous," but most of the people around the world who hate us have damn good reasons. We probably have fucked them over in shape or form. From Palestine to Serbia, Iraq to Africa, we have taken measures that have destroyed people's lives for our own gain. We have bases in what, 60 different countries across the globe? How many different civil wars have we decided in lands that aren't our own? It would be one thing if we acted solely for the good of suffering people, but that's not what we've done in many places across the world. Instead, we use the situation for our personal gain, which has been seen in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Palestine, Ethiopia, and of course Iraq. And people here wonder why everybody hates us.
IMO your biased support of our government no matter what is why so many people dislike Americans. Fact is, we always think we're right in deciding the fate of other places. But in many cases, we are simply using their suffering for our own regional gains. And that's why it's wrong, that's why people hate us, that's why blind nationalism, just like blind religious extremism, needs to stop.
Andy, you arent "WORDLY", you are anti-establishment, reminiscent of the hippies back in the 60's.
Yeah, that's it, Vinni. I'm totally anti-establishment. Goddamn, I hate our economy, Juventus, and my country. Jesus Fuck, you totally opened my eyes.
See you guys later, I'm going to live the rest of my life in my bungalow.
And you, as a supposed American, believing the nonsense that Chomsky preaches...give me a fucking break. This idiot believes that our government planned and executed 9-11, and not Bin Laden. He is nothing more than a left-wing, communist that is anti-American...nice heroes you have there. My advice is to listen to people who actually have a clue, like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
You know, if you really believe Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are objective views in national and wordly politics, it's no wonder why I'm having this discussion with you. Vinni, you simply can't be reasoned with, and that's why I said you don't have an open mind when it comes to our politics. Beck and Limbaugh are no better than Bill O'Reilly, one of the most biased individuals I've ever seen on television. All these people have is a strong right-wing agenda... can't you see that?
And Noam Chomsky is a JEWISH American. In the video you watched he was analyzing the situation in the Middle East, specifically Lebanon, speaking out how the US and the IDF have had an unfair stranglehold over the region for too long, and our presence is only hurting matters. That's only the truth.
And isn't what Chomsky said like the epitomy of objectivity?
A Jewish American criticising the tactics of the IDF and the US with respect to the good of all people involved. Yeah, this man is truly a retard.
And personally, I have nothing against Serbia, and really dont have an opinion either way about this situation...I am not happy we're involved, but I'm not happy to watch our embassy burn either.
We reap what we sew.
And one last point, Mr. WORDLY, you have made many comments about my supposed opinions about black people in the past, and again its nothing more than total bullshit. I went to public schools all my life, had friends of all races, and was listening to Run-DMC, Public Enemy, NWA, and A Tribe Called Quest while you were still in diapers !!
Sweet, they were all great. Not to mention KRS-One.
Don't mind me, but saying Obama is a "loud-mouthed black man" just comes off the wrong way.
Eventually, just like me, you'll grow up too
I still don't understand this argument. It's like you're trying to discredit me for being younger than you, or somehow not being fully grown yet, even though the doctor has indeed stated I've reached my full growth potential.
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