World's newest state (9 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

stop making an ass out of yourself

You're biased for Kosovo as well, Besmir.

 

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[The Arif]

You're biased for Kosovo as well, Besmir.

And Dule isn't? Not that I have anything against him, but he's biased too. That's why us Kosovars and Serbs will never get along. They think Kosovo was and will always be theirs, we think otherwise, that it never was their land.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

yeah, well, rioting will not solve anything. serbia should have managed the issue of kosovo better

 

[The Arif]

Indeed. Protesting, burning the buildings, smashing and stealing the stores in their OWN capital city is not gonna help them getting Kosovo.

 

[Bjerknes]

And Dule isn't? Not that I have anything against him, but he's biased too. That's why us Kosovars and Serbs will never get along. They think Kosovo was and will always be theirs, we think otherwise, that it never was their land.

I never said he wasn't biased, but I can see why he would be upset. That's all. It's not like he disagrees with the formation of Kosova because he supports genocide.

 

[The Arif]

 

[Dostoevsky]

Well it is funny.

But that can`t work for a long since Delije and Grobari don`t get along.

 

[JCK]

Well it is funny.

But that can`t work for a long since Delije and Grobari don`t get along.

But they got one time in history.

 

[Bjerknes]

Didn't Grobari and Delije members work side by side during some parts of the war? If not, what was Grobari doing? Because I know Delije were the main men of Arkan of course.

 

[JCK]

Didn't Grobari and Delije members work side by side during some parts of the war? If not, what was Grobari doing? Because I know Delije were the main men of Arkan of course.

Just before the war started they had the derby game where the players didn't really play they just listened to Delje and Grobari cheering together against other Balkan countries. They say that at that game it had become obvious that the war will start.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is what I heard. I also saw the clip on Youtube but I can't find it.

 

[The Arif]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5VWZoKWBYXE

 

[Dostoevsky]

Just before the war started they had the derby game where the players didn't really play they just listened to Delje and Grobari cheering together against other Balkan countries. They say that at that game it had become obvious that the war will start.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is what I heard. I also saw the clip on Youtube but I can't find it.

There were few incidents between delije and grobari yesterday but nothing serious.If there wasn`t this situation with Kosovo it would be one hell of a fight but this way, who knows what is going to happen.Maybe some friends. But most violent fans here are Radovci (supporters of FK Rad) even tho they are very,very small...But Delije all the way.

 

[V]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5VWZoKWBYXE

I just saw this on the TV, pretty sad stuff.

 

[Enron]

This was just untill midnight.Over all there was around 220 injured people and 35 of them are cops.

That sucks man. And the worst part is that the Serbian government is responsible for rebuilding the embassies.(vienna convention)

 

[Zé Tahir]

Dule, is anything going on there today or is anything being planned?

 

[Alen]

I just saw this on the TV, pretty sad stuff.

Unfuckinbelievable

 

[Kosta]

Aha okay.. Thanks



It did help.. But still not as good as it should be..



You wish that our what?.. It will never end in that way.. Wait and see..
Every serb know who Kosova really belongs too and soon, very soon everything will turn back to normal in Beograd and Serbia.. And Kosova will move forward and become a normal country..



Ahh.. Thats not true.. Well yes they have the rights, but while Macedonia is giving them rights some places, They kill there man other places.. My girlfriend is from Tetova, A city where more then 90% are Albanians.. Macedoniens forces attack villiges there claming they are killing terrorist..


Thats not good.. They should stop, and make peacefull demostrations, like your president said..

How you think it should be , tell me ?
You want me to post to you all the rights they have now, that no country in the civilized democratic society would give to their minorities. All in the way of peaceful and prospective living , swallowing our pride and dignity.
And you come here sitting in your comfortable chair in Denmark/Sweden to tell me that is not good as it should be?

The amount of ammunition and fire power found in the village Brodec was enough to equip a small army. Give me one sane reason why villagers from small mountain village have their basements full with so much ammunition. For hunting , wedding celebration ?? No, my friend, they were equipping themselves for terrorism actions against the country the live in , prepared to shoot on the police and the army (who by the way in multinational) who is protecting still unmarked border line between Macedonia and Kosovo from smugglers, terrorists and dealers.

So its better to stop undermining the stability of the state they are living in , for the sake of "human rights" that they have more that it should have been. They are holding the whole stability of West Balkan area hostage with their endless demands.

Don't get me wrong, I do wanna live together with all Albanians , Turks, Serbs and all other minorities that live in Macedonia, but to promote someone to first degree citizen and degrade all the others to second in beyond my reasonable comprehending.

 

[Juve_Kosova]

You wanna say we think that Kosovo is your land?

Dont say it.. It dosent matter..

For the second time : stop implying that i want the worst for your people. I don't think i ever met an Albanian. My country never had problems with Albania and Albanians, we aren't neighbours with Albania or Kosovo, while the only ones who have problems with Albanians are the Serbs, with whom my country was in war.

What i said above is a prediction, not a wish.
Albanians are surrounded with enemies who hate them. It's the same like with the Israeli, isn't it ? They are hated by all their neighbours. Plus, Albanians are muslim surrounded by christians.
But Albanians aren't and chances are that they'll never be a military force like Israel. They aren't economically superior to their neighbours and the only thing they have as their advantage right now is the support they've been getting from the US. Once US support stops, Albanians are left alone, surrounded by wolves that want to destroy them.

Something i wouldn't like to happen, but something that can easily happen at the end.




Ok, i'm not too familiar with this situation and Macedonians and Albanians know it much better. What i know is from the english written sources and CNN.
You'e talking about the police action in one village near Tetovo (Brod ?)
I read that US and NATO supported this action and they applauded it. If this wasn't an action against terrorism i really doubt Albanian alies would have supported it.
Another thing is that 1/3 of the policemen were Albanians and the guy who lead the action was one vice-minister of police who is also an Albanian.
And third, the arsenal found in the Albanian houses was enough for one big army. Why would "civilians" have so many guns and rockets ?

I repeat, i know this only from the American newspappers and media, while the actual situation may have been different.

Well some of the points you had there are true. But in this world now, there will be no attack from our neighbours, it could in the 90's.. But it wont happend now..

The part about Macedonia.. What the American newspappers and media say aint the same as getting the news from people that live there..

Never was and never will be...I don`t give a sh*t what they all think.

:eyebrows:

And I should say what?I am happy that we lost Kosovo because it`s not our land anyway?

Exactly..

How you think it should be , tell me ?
You want me to post to you all the rights they have now, that no country in the civilized democratic society would give to their minorities. All in the way of peaceful and prospective living , swallowing our pride and dignity.
And you come here sitting in your comfortable chair in Denmark/Sweden to tell me that is not good as it should be?

The amount of ammunition and fire power found in the village Brodec was enough to equip a small army. Give me one sane reason why villagers from small mountain village have their basements full with so much ammunition. For hunting , wedding celebration ?? No, my friend, they were equipping themselves for terrorism actions against the country the live in , prepared to shoot on the police and the army (who by the way in multinational) who is protecting still unmarked border line between Macedonia and Kosovo from smugglers, terrorists and dealers.

So its better to stop undermining the stability of the state they are living in , for the sake of "human rights" that they have more that it should have been. They are holding the whole stability of West Balkan area hostage with their endless demands.

Don't get me wrong, I do wanna live together with all Albanians , Turks, Serbs and all other minorities that live in Macedonia, but to promote someone to first degree citizen and degrade all the others to second in beyond my reasonable comprehending.

Denmark yes.. Not Sweden.. It's not the same country you know

Look man, What the media say is not alwayse the truth.. Yes Albanians have there rights, but its not alwayse working like that.. The Macedoniens police (some of them, not ALL) are alwayse managing Albanians cases in a different matter and in an unfair way.. They get beaten for no reason in Tetova..
Stuff happen there without coming out in the rest of Macedonia.. Yes Albanians got ammunition there, but hey, they gotta defend themself..

 

[Dostoevsky]

Dule, is anything going on there today or is anything being planned?

Nope.I doubt it`s going to be something like that for a while.

Unfuckinbelievable

They got caught by the way.They said they did it because they are poor. umpkin:

 

[Kosta]

Denmark yes.. Not Sweden.. It's not the same country you know

Look man, What the media say is not alwayse the truth.. Yes Albanians have there rights, but its not alwayse working like that.. The Macedoniens police (some of them, not ALL) are alwayse managing Albanians cases in a different matter and in an unfair way.. They get beaten for no reason in Tetova..
Stuff happen there without coming out in the rest of Macedonia.. Yes Albanians got ammunition there, but hey, they gotta defend themself..

I was not sure that why I wrote both countries... don't lecture me.

One thing is excess police force and another is basement full of rifles. Don't act innocent , you wont get away with it any more, the gilt is on your behalf also.
You stated that they should protest with protests on the street and trough the legal parts of the system , but hey I'll get an anti tank mine I gotta defend my self and ask more rights with it.