I think that's one of the questions being asked, because they were autonomous already so what difference is this making?
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The difference is that now they are officially lost for Serbia 
They gained their full autonomy in 1999 after NATO bombed Serbia so the situation post 1999 and today isn't much different, with the only difference being that Serbs will no longer have any rights on Kosovo after it gets it's full independence.
I was just looking at the stance of some countries regarding this issue and it's hillarious how egoistic their stance is.
Spain doesn't want to recognize Kosovo;
Why ? Because they know Basque will ask for independence and they are in absolutely the same situation as Kosovo
(this is where we'll see double standards. I bet everything that the EU and USA won't use the same criteria in this case and they won't claim that Basque deserves to be independent.)
Tahir's Pakistan will be one of the first 3 countries that will recognize Kosovo while India won't recognize Kosovo ?
Why mr. Ze ?
Because there is a "minor" problem with Kashmir and the situation is exactly the same as it's with Serbia/Kosovo/Albania
The Balkan countries, except for Albania, are all against Kosovo's independence but all of them will recognize Kosovo, simply because they're told to do it.
The Serbs in Croatia can always ask for independence of the teritories where they live. The Serbs in Bosnia, Republika Srpska, have all the rights to ask independence. Albanians make 25% of the population in Macedonia. Macedonians fear they are next and they'll lose their western teritories so they'll be part of Great Albania. Greeks also have Albanians inside Greece but they have the problem with Northern Cyprus with Turkey. Northern Cyprus (inhabited with Turks) can ask for independence.
Turkey will immediately recognize Kosovo.
Why ?
Because now the Turks in northern Cyprus will have every right to ask for independence.
I don't know the English term, but what is happening with Kosovo is a ...i think the word is precedent, in international law and the consequences will be huge.
Russians are also angry. They say that whoever recognizes Kosovo will pay for that.
For all these reasons it's hard to agree with the independence, but there is another thing we mustn't forget - the Albanians in Kosovo. They are 2millions and they make more than 95% of the population of Kosovo. They simply don't want to be a part of Serbia and they, with rights, fear for their security if they are part of Serbia. They now live there for centuries and they want their own state.
Now be smart and go figureumpkin:
They gained their full autonomy in 1999 after NATO bombed Serbia so the situation post 1999 and today isn't much different, with the only difference being that Serbs will no longer have any rights on Kosovo after it gets it's full independence.
I was just looking at the stance of some countries regarding this issue and it's hillarious how egoistic their stance is.
Spain doesn't want to recognize Kosovo;
Why ? Because they know Basque will ask for independence and they are in absolutely the same situation as Kosovo
(this is where we'll see double standards. I bet everything that the EU and USA won't use the same criteria in this case and they won't claim that Basque deserves to be independent.)
Tahir's Pakistan will be one of the first 3 countries that will recognize Kosovo while India won't recognize Kosovo ?
Why mr. Ze ?
Because there is a "minor" problem with Kashmir and the situation is exactly the same as it's with Serbia/Kosovo/Albania
The Balkan countries, except for Albania, are all against Kosovo's independence but all of them will recognize Kosovo, simply because they're told to do it.
The Serbs in Croatia can always ask for independence of the teritories where they live. The Serbs in Bosnia, Republika Srpska, have all the rights to ask independence. Albanians make 25% of the population in Macedonia. Macedonians fear they are next and they'll lose their western teritories so they'll be part of Great Albania. Greeks also have Albanians inside Greece but they have the problem with Northern Cyprus with Turkey. Northern Cyprus (inhabited with Turks) can ask for independence.
Turkey will immediately recognize Kosovo.
Why ?
Because now the Turks in northern Cyprus will have every right to ask for independence.
I don't know the English term, but what is happening with Kosovo is a ...i think the word is precedent, in international law and the consequences will be huge.
Russians are also angry. They say that whoever recognizes Kosovo will pay for that.
For all these reasons it's hard to agree with the independence, but there is another thing we mustn't forget - the Albanians in Kosovo. They are 2millions and they make more than 95% of the population of Kosovo. They simply don't want to be a part of Serbia and they, with rights, fear for their security if they are part of Serbia. They now live there for centuries and they want their own state.
Now be smart and go figure
umpkin:Minor Balkan mess that will certainly lead to something much much bigger than this. Let me remind you that the World War I started after a minor Balkan mess
What i'm saying here Tahir is this: After the WW II and the terrors there the world decided not to allow something similar to happen.
That's why the UN were formed and some of their purposes, in order to prevent a new world war were :
1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
2. United Nations guarantee the sovereignty and territorial integrity of independent states within their internationally recognized borders.
We mustn't forget the Resolution on the Protection of Sovereignty. Any declaration of Kosovo’s independence as well as recognition thereof by any state, would constitute a gross violation of international law and primarily of the UN Charter, the Helsinki Final Act and Security Council Resolution 1244. Such acts and activities would directly jeopardize the sovereignty, territorial integrity and constitutional order of Serbia and of many other countries in the future.
Looks like a long time passed, most of the people who lived through the WWII terror died and we slowly forgot what was happening there and why were the UN created.
So we introduced the law of the jungle again. Now hundreds of autonomous provincies or simple provincies will ask for independence, will look at this example and try to gain their independence with guns and rockets. The great powers will find themselves in conflicts while trying to create or prevent the creation of some new countries etc.
This sucks balls
What i'm saying here Tahir is this: After the WW II and the terrors there the world decided not to allow something similar to happen.
That's why the UN were formed and some of their purposes, in order to prevent a new world war were :
1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
2. United Nations guarantee the sovereignty and territorial integrity of independent states within their internationally recognized borders.
We mustn't forget the Resolution on the Protection of Sovereignty. Any declaration of Kosovo’s independence as well as recognition thereof by any state, would constitute a gross violation of international law and primarily of the UN Charter, the Helsinki Final Act and Security Council Resolution 1244. Such acts and activities would directly jeopardize the sovereignty, territorial integrity and constitutional order of Serbia and of many other countries in the future.
Looks like a long time passed, most of the people who lived through the WWII terror died and we slowly forgot what was happening there and why were the UN created.
So we introduced the law of the jungle again. Now hundreds of autonomous provincies or simple provincies will ask for independence, will look at this example and try to gain their independence with guns and rockets. The great powers will find themselves in conflicts while trying to create or prevent the creation of some new countries etc.
This sucks balls
Minor Balkan mess that will certainly lead to something much much bigger than this. Let me remind you that the World War I started after a minor Balkan mess
What i'm saying here Tahir is this: After the WW II and the terrors there the world decided not to allow something similar to happen.
That's why the UN were formed and some of their purposes, in order to prevent a new world war were :
1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
2. United Nations guarantee the sovereignty and territorial integrity of independent states within their internationally recognized borders.
Looks like a long time passed, most of the people who lived through the WWII terror died and we slowly forgot what was happening there and why were the UN created.
So we introduced the law of the jungle again. Now hundreds of autonomous provincies or simple provincies will ask for independence, will look at this example and try to gain their independence with guns and rockets. The great powers will find themselves in conflicts while trying to create or prevent the creation of some new countries etc.
This sucks balls
What i'm saying here Tahir is this: After the WW II and the terrors there the world decided not to allow something similar to happen.
That's why the UN were formed and some of their purposes, in order to prevent a new world war were :
1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
2. United Nations guarantee the sovereignty and territorial integrity of independent states within their internationally recognized borders.
Looks like a long time passed, most of the people who lived through the WWII terror died and we slowly forgot what was happening there and why were the UN created.
So we introduced the law of the jungle again. Now hundreds of autonomous provincies or simple provincies will ask for independence, will look at this example and try to gain their independence with guns and rockets. The great powers will find themselves in conflicts while trying to create or prevent the creation of some new countries etc.
This sucks balls
It's not just a Balkan mess, it just seems like they're the only ones for now getting the shaft
The difference is that now they are officially lost for Serbia
They gained their full autonomy in 1999 after NATO bombed Serbia so the situation post 1999 and today isn't much different, with the only difference being that Serbs will no longer have any rights on Kosovo after it gets it's full independence.
I was just looking at the stance of some countries regarding this issue and it's hillarious how egoistic their stance is.
Spain doesn't want to recognize Kosovo;
Why ? Because they know Basque will ask for independence and they are in absolutely the same situation as Kosovo
(this is where we'll see double standards. I bet everything that the EU and USA won't use the same criteria in this case and they won't claim that Basque deserves to be independent.)
Tahir's Pakistan will be one of the first 3 countries that will recognize Kosovo while India won't recognize Kosovo ?
Why mr. Ze ?
Because there is a "minor" problem with Kashmir and the situation is exactly the same as it's with Serbia/Kosovo/Albania
The Balkan countries, except for Albania, are all against Kosovo's independence but all of them will recognize Kosovo, simply because they're told to do it.
The Serbs in Croatia can always ask for independence of the teritories where they live. The Serbs in Bosnia, Republika Srpska, have all the rights to ask independence. Albanians make 25% of the population in Macedonia. Macedonians fear they are next and they'll lose their western teritories so they'll be part of Great Albania. Greeks also have Albanians inside Greece but they have the problem with Northern Cyprus with Turkey. Northern Cyprus (inhabited with Turks) can ask for independence.
Turkey will immediately recognize Kosovo.
Why ?
Because now the Turks in northern Cyprus will have every right to ask for independence.
I don't know the English term, but what is happening with Kosovo is a ...i think the word is precedent, in international law and the consequences will be huge.
Russians are also angry. They say that whoever recognizes Kosovo will pay for that.
For all these reasons it's hard to agree with the independence, but there is another thing we mustn't forget - the Albanians in Kosovo. They are 2millions and they make more than 95% of the population of Kosovo. They simply don't want to be a part of Serbia and they, with rights, fear for their security if they are part of Serbia. They now live there for centuries and they want their own state.
Now be smart and go figureumpkin:
They gained their full autonomy in 1999 after NATO bombed Serbia so the situation post 1999 and today isn't much different, with the only difference being that Serbs will no longer have any rights on Kosovo after it gets it's full independence.
I was just looking at the stance of some countries regarding this issue and it's hillarious how egoistic their stance is.
Spain doesn't want to recognize Kosovo;
Why ? Because they know Basque will ask for independence and they are in absolutely the same situation as Kosovo
(this is where we'll see double standards. I bet everything that the EU and USA won't use the same criteria in this case and they won't claim that Basque deserves to be independent.)
Tahir's Pakistan will be one of the first 3 countries that will recognize Kosovo while India won't recognize Kosovo ?
Why mr. Ze ?
Because there is a "minor" problem with Kashmir and the situation is exactly the same as it's with Serbia/Kosovo/Albania
The Balkan countries, except for Albania, are all against Kosovo's independence but all of them will recognize Kosovo, simply because they're told to do it.
The Serbs in Croatia can always ask for independence of the teritories where they live. The Serbs in Bosnia, Republika Srpska, have all the rights to ask independence. Albanians make 25% of the population in Macedonia. Macedonians fear they are next and they'll lose their western teritories so they'll be part of Great Albania. Greeks also have Albanians inside Greece but they have the problem with Northern Cyprus with Turkey. Northern Cyprus (inhabited with Turks) can ask for independence.
Turkey will immediately recognize Kosovo.
Why ?
Because now the Turks in northern Cyprus will have every right to ask for independence.
I don't know the English term, but what is happening with Kosovo is a ...i think the word is precedent, in international law and the consequences will be huge.
Russians are also angry. They say that whoever recognizes Kosovo will pay for that.
For all these reasons it's hard to agree with the independence, but there is another thing we mustn't forget - the Albanians in Kosovo. They are 2millions and they make more than 95% of the population of Kosovo. They simply don't want to be a part of Serbia and they, with rights, fear for their security if they are part of Serbia. They now live there for centuries and they want their own state.
Now be smart and go figure
umpkin:
You can't help but sit back and say, "dude, this is pretty fucked up."
first of all congrats arif, i hope that this the begining of new things to yr country and people. as for the serbians i guess its for there best intentions too, i knew about kosovo getting there independence a week from this as gio has told me recently that it looks like kosovo are heading for independence. i think its best for every one bec lets face it serbia is still suffereing till this day from the cost of the wars it has lead its self in. regardless of cause or aim for such a war but it has def suffered heavily in all aspects. i think its time now for the serbs to build up for the future of there upcoming generations. they need to do this for the sake of civilians.
as for the united states involvement well i have recently watched a programme about the balkans and just like the middle east it has its strategic importance to the united states.
its well known the balkans are near important sources of oil, and most importantly the balkans are near russia and china. china in specific is the upcoming super power in the next 10 years and the united stats feels that it has to insure its prescence in this region before the chinese get to there prime. the balkan countries are a diverese collection of different ethinic grouips does the usa care about this? i personally dont think they do, lets be realisitc every country in the world looks for the best for there intentions in other words each country looks for the best possible solutions for its own benefit.
with the kurds, at some point they were of benefit to the united states in particular during the 1990 gulf war but the united states soon found out it will cause them trouble with other countries in the region and that there were easier ways to acheive there needs other than getting involved with the kurds hence now no one talks or even protests when the kurds are mistreated.
i dont mean to offend any one by this post i am just clearing this out for u guys and once again its just a personal opinion and feel free to doubt me or even correct me if iam wrong. this post is by no means directed to any memeber at all.
as for the united states involvement well i have recently watched a programme about the balkans and just like the middle east it has its strategic importance to the united states.
its well known the balkans are near important sources of oil, and most importantly the balkans are near russia and china. china in specific is the upcoming super power in the next 10 years and the united stats feels that it has to insure its prescence in this region before the chinese get to there prime. the balkan countries are a diverese collection of different ethinic grouips does the usa care about this? i personally dont think they do, lets be realisitc every country in the world looks for the best for there intentions in other words each country looks for the best possible solutions for its own benefit.
with the kurds, at some point they were of benefit to the united states in particular during the 1990 gulf war but the united states soon found out it will cause them trouble with other countries in the region and that there were easier ways to acheive there needs other than getting involved with the kurds hence now no one talks or even protests when the kurds are mistreated.
i dont mean to offend any one by this post i am just clearing this out for u guys and once again its just a personal opinion and feel free to doubt me or even correct me if iam wrong. this post is by no means directed to any memeber at all.
I saw it on the newspaper this morning , Actually this just way too complicated just like the Taiwan and China Mainland Case , and I don't have any worthiness to get into this so Congrats to Kosovars and so sorry to they didn't wanted it . int:
I will better just be a good reader here , btw very2 Interesting explanation Alen :toast:
Keep it Cool , debaters
int: I will better just be a good reader here , btw very2 Interesting explanation Alen :toast:
Keep it Cool , debaters