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unless veratti can play as a trequartista he won't solve much, it will be a matter of time before Pirlo is phased out for a midfield built on industry and strength similar to the one Allegri had at milan after Pirlo left, I can't see him favoring a 'deep lying playmaker' who offers little defensively which in veratti's case is his weakest aspect to his game, any how it looks as though Marchisio will be playing the 'Pirlo' role on a more permanent basis soon enough
that is because cavani is playing out wide
that is because cavani is playing out wide
Impossible to be as prolific when you're playing with Ibra. The teams he plays always revolves around him. Cavani is a guarantee 20+ goals a season, guaranteed!
Verratti not solve our creativity problem? Have you even watched him at PSG?
Like i said you have to be completely crazy not to want this. But it's good to be true.
Verratti not solve our creativity problem? Have you even watched him at PSG?
Like i said you have to be completely crazy not to want this. But it's good to be true.
Well, this discussion is going round in circles 
However, I can accept by now that the management gives out the agenda, that we cannot compete (yet) with other big clubs and do not the money to spend as they have. If we are lucky we will spend some money in the upcoming summer mercato with the Adidas deal pending and the one or other Euro from the Champions League. Nevertheless, I cannot see why we get players like Pereyra then (no matter how bad or good he is)? We have a lot of young players loaned to clubs we could get back for nothing or less. But maybe, as some already suggested, this is the board's strategy and next summer Berardi and the likes will come back. But how should this work if young players do get hardly any playing time? For example Coman? Hell, even Morata, who cost us 20 Mil. does not play enough. Furthermore, if this really is their plan, they should have seen things coming and got Sneijder or an equivalent for less in summer already or at least setup the transfer.
It appears they are putting no thought in this and there is no strategy at all.
However, I can accept by now that the management gives out the agenda, that we cannot compete (yet) with other big clubs and do not the money to spend as they have. If we are lucky we will spend some money in the upcoming summer mercato with the Adidas deal pending and the one or other Euro from the Champions League. Nevertheless, I cannot see why we get players like Pereyra then (no matter how bad or good he is)? We have a lot of young players loaned to clubs we could get back for nothing or less. But maybe, as some already suggested, this is the board's strategy and next summer Berardi and the likes will come back. But how should this work if young players do get hardly any playing time? For example Coman? Hell, even Morata, who cost us 20 Mil. does not play enough. Furthermore, if this really is their plan, they should have seen things coming and got Sneijder or an equivalent for less in summer already or at least setup the transfer.
It appears they are putting no thought in this and there is no strategy at all.
In terms of playing time I think we're very fortunate to have Tevez especially with no injuries at all. If he had a few months off we'd see both of Coman and Morata feature a lot more. Pereyra was signed because he had potential. Other clubs wanted him too so he must have convinced a few scouts he could bring something other "young" players couldn't. I'm sure we're yet to see what exactly that is though. As for Pereyra I don't think he was signed as the first choice AM in Allegri's 41212, and i'm certain we're identify a few AMs in the summer, if we dont sign Sneijder this month.
Berardi in the summer should be a certainty.
Impossible to be as prolific when you're playing with Ibra. The teams he plays always revolves around him. Cavani is a guarantee 20+ goals a season, guaranteed!
Verratti not solve our creativity problem? Have you even watched him at PSG?
Like i said you have to be completely crazy not to want this. But it's good to be true.
Verratti not solve our creativity problem? Have you even watched him at PSG?
Like i said you have to be completely crazy not to want this. But it's good to be true.
That's what you're not understanding. We'd swapping a CM for another and adding a top quality striker. By next season i'm sure we can use the money we were gonna use the money and find someone to play that position. And by next season we would have enough firepower in our team to compete in the CL.
But i'm gonna stop now. I don't want to get even more disappointed. This is too good.
But i'm gonna stop now. I don't want to get even more disappointed. This is too good.
I know exactly what you mean. Both of you.
But don't you find it a bit frustrating and depressing? You login almost every day in here and read such things. Like 'hey who should we get to replace Pogba' 'we should sell him while he's on a good form' etc. I find that quite odd because most of the time I gotta check if I'm on a Juventus forum. Sadly, it's what majority bites and IMO it's a first sign that we're not a top club anymore. It's pretty damn sad when we have to even talk about such stuff while nobody addresses important stuff that needs to be done within a club. You just wake up and see all kind of line-ups, with new players, new formations. In almost every single one of them there are no Pogba and/or Vidal.
What scares me is the thought how people at our club think the same. I personally we're in a position to hold these players, just like recently when we've seen Pogba's renewal. What needs to be done as a next step is succeeding in Europe in order to make them stay here for a long(er) period of time. We're Juventus. We are and should be capable of doing that task. Instead, we should be trying to get new defenders to make our CB line stronger and to get a proper left back. We should be discussing Pirlo's replacement, or Marchisio's back-up if he goes in his place, cause it's what this club should do. No, we're not in a position to get Verratti, simply because we can't compete with the big fish. Should we get Verratti and sell Pogba? No. Why? Because Pogba should be our Verratti and our potential star who should stay his until his old age. Even if we do that swap, we're still not addressing our problems and that's a bad thing. Sell Pogba for Verratti and Cavani? Not only we won't see that happen, but that's just total bullshit right there. It's even worse when people go like 'let's sell Pogba/Vidal and get 5 lesser players!'. I mean, wake the hell up. That's not what winners do. What what you expect from Fiorentina, Sampdoria and Lazio.
What we need is a proper investment, mostly in youth. Just like we did with Pogba and Coman, we should keep doing it. It's the way to get out of rut at the moment. Instead of chasing 40-60mln kids who might replace Pirlo we should be the ones producing them. What needs to be changed is not a formation nor Pogba and Vidal. It's the mentality. Mentality of our staff, board and even our fans. Sometimes I have a feeling this is club that fights for a 3rd place and not for a top CL spot and lifting its trophy. So instead of trying to find the right players to swap Pogba/Vidal with, we should think of the plan how to keep them while buying other quality to reassure their stay at Turin. What we need a Marotta doing his job well. Something that scares me.
But don't you find it a bit frustrating and depressing? You login almost every day in here and read such things. Like 'hey who should we get to replace Pogba' 'we should sell him while he's on a good form' etc. I find that quite odd because most of the time I gotta check if I'm on a Juventus forum. Sadly, it's what majority bites and IMO it's a first sign that we're not a top club anymore. It's pretty damn sad when we have to even talk about such stuff while nobody addresses important stuff that needs to be done within a club. You just wake up and see all kind of line-ups, with new players, new formations. In almost every single one of them there are no Pogba and/or Vidal.
What scares me is the thought how people at our club think the same. I personally we're in a position to hold these players, just like recently when we've seen Pogba's renewal. What needs to be done as a next step is succeeding in Europe in order to make them stay here for a long(er) period of time. We're Juventus. We are and should be capable of doing that task. Instead, we should be trying to get new defenders to make our CB line stronger and to get a proper left back. We should be discussing Pirlo's replacement, or Marchisio's back-up if he goes in his place, cause it's what this club should do. No, we're not in a position to get Verratti, simply because we can't compete with the big fish. Should we get Verratti and sell Pogba? No. Why? Because Pogba should be our Verratti and our potential star who should stay his until his old age. Even if we do that swap, we're still not addressing our problems and that's a bad thing. Sell Pogba for Verratti and Cavani? Not only we won't see that happen, but that's just total bullshit right there. It's even worse when people go like 'let's sell Pogba/Vidal and get 5 lesser players!'. I mean, wake the hell up. That's not what winners do. What what you expect from Fiorentina, Sampdoria and Lazio.
What we need is a proper investment, mostly in youth. Just like we did with Pogba and Coman, we should keep doing it. It's the way to get out of rut at the moment. Instead of chasing 40-60mln kids who might replace Pirlo we should be the ones producing them. What needs to be changed is not a formation nor Pogba and Vidal. It's the mentality. Mentality of our staff, board and even our fans. Sometimes I have a feeling this is club that fights for a 3rd place and not for a top CL spot and lifting its trophy. So instead of trying to find the right players to swap Pogba/Vidal with, we should think of the plan how to keep them while buying other quality to reassure their stay at Turin. What we need a Marotta doing his job well. Something that scares me.
He scores more goals than our strikers combined in a bad day. You haven't seen Cavani play at all.We brought in Morata, 21 / Coman, 17 / Pereyra, 23 / Marrone, 23 this summer. Berardi will join us in July. I think the board is pretty much on it. The fans though - "Morata and Pereyra a big flop", "Berardi not good enough/juve material". People expect us to sign ~€30m players like Isco/Draxler etc, instead of realistic targets that we will have to do a bit of development on.
Have you seen Verratti? He's like a beefed up Pirlo.
I don't know what I'd think about that trade though. Pogba is world class. Verratti is world class. Pogba has been great at Juventus. Verratti has been great at PSG. The only true advantage for either team is that Pogba is French and Verratti is Italian and that might appeal to the local fanbase. Other than that both teams should be cautious not to ruin a good thing.
I don't know what I'd think about that trade though. Pogba is world class. Verratti is world class. Pogba has been great at Juventus. Verratti has been great at PSG. The only true advantage for either team is that Pogba is French and Verratti is Italian and that might appeal to the local fanbase. Other than that both teams should be cautious not to ruin a good thing.
I agree with you. Let's get rid of this approach of thinking. Nevertheless, these "discussions" tend to peak after a couple of disappointing games and/or a typical marotta mercato. A lot of people here take rumours far too seriously and are frustrated afterwards, when Falcao and Shaqiri did not arrive.
If Zidane left, who the fuck is Pogba? This whole argument about "we'd show the world we can't even hold on to our players" is bullshit. We aren't rich anymore and we never had the best scouts, so stop this shit about finding young players, we're too bad at it. Before we had money to buy the best, that's why we had the best.
I find it funny how everybody fucking loses their shit when we get kicked out of the CL by the likes of the great Galatasaray and that we're linked with washed up or simply average players who will barely be any good in a weak Serie A, and when a chance comes (even though i think the rumour is BS) to add two top quality - If Pogba is the best younger mid in the world Verratti is surely top 3, and a striker who guarantees goals in the highest level - players for the CL, you say no.
I find it funny how everybody fucking loses their shit when we get kicked out of the CL by the likes of the great Galatasaray and that we're linked with washed up or simply average players who will barely be any good in a weak Serie A, and when a chance comes (even though i think the rumour is BS) to add two top quality - If Pogba is the best younger mid in the world Verratti is surely top 3, and a striker who guarantees goals in the highest level - players for the CL, you say no.
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