++ [ originally posted by dee dee ] ++
denco, i think u have overstepped the mark here.
for dp's infamous corner kicks, check out the first game he played in the 1998 WC, that being the second game Italy played. My point of comparing him to Henry obviously stings people like you who cannot accept that he is no longer in his prime although you do accept that there are others who are better than him currently. Quite obviously, you are also blind to the fact that DP is very inefficient in terms of ball possession, either losing them or making inconsequential passes. And do not come back with the point that he is always tightly marked. Van Nisterooy, Henry, Raul are also tightly shackled and do not lose the ball as frequently as he does. Defenders in Serie A also regard him as an easy defensive assignment, being a one-trick horse. Is that world class technique some of you are alluding to?
Secondly, you are downgrading the other 10 players that play with DP when he won the 5 scudettos. Wonder why journalists never rave about how DP carrying a team while they have said that when Platini, Zidane and Baggio played for Juve? Its in fact a well-known fact that he has always choked in the grand final and the WC stage - it is also known in the Serie A that he is weak in terms of confidence. That Dp scores 16 goals and Juve wins the scudetto is testimony of the fact that the team as a whole plays well! He alone did not tear defences apart single handedly! For the umpteen time, a player's championship medals does not reflect his PERSONAL greatness. As Graham had stated, that line of argument would make Phil Neville a better player than DP, something I think not!
FInally, you dont know anything about me. So do not make a fool of yourself in making deductions of me, that I am somebody else who have posted on this forum previously or that I have always hated DP. You do need to back up what you say and you cant in either case.
And I am different from you because I choose to believe that DP is no longer beneficial to Juve and that the club need to let him go in order to progress. Whether I am wrong, only time will tell.
Wow back first of I didnt mean to offend but you do sound a lot like some who have come on here with diff nicks
To retort your points, first of all, I do not give a good goddamned if the greatest journalists says this or that as I find journalists annoying and in most cases , noidea what they are talking about.
They do not know more than the guys who go to watch matches and because they are paid to report matches, does that make them authorities? I only go by my eyes and what they tell me is what I use as arguments.
Raul has been utter crap this season, if the truth be told he has been poor for 3 seasons but he has done a lot for Real and more importantly, it seems you do not follow Real, otherwise you would not have mentioned him
Rvn is a goal scorer plain and simple and thou he is world class in my eyes , he is not a creator of goals and aside from scoring a hattrick against Scotland , he is yet to convince the Dutch that he is as good as the rest of the world thinks he is as he has not quite done it on the international stage
The corner kick you are refering to , I honestly do not recall it but it sticks vivdly in your memory so it must be true, pity you do not recall Henry playing a similar corner kick this season which made even Andy Gray chuckle
Dp might be a one trick pony, well Ronaldo, Figo and many others can be labelled such, does this mean they cannot play or are not world class, i wonder
You guys go on and on about how journalists rave about Baggio and Zidane, the same journalists who slated these guys when they were at Juve
In Zidane's case, it was that he played better for France or he only turned it on in the Cl and in Baggio's case was that like Dp was alwyas found wanting on the big occassions and you hardly saw him against the big teams but they have both gone now and all of a sudden , they are praised to the hilt
At least Zz talents made his teams win something
Well Dp is in a no win situation and neither am i, if Juve wins something its because of others, if they lose its his fault for blocking the likes of sirmissa lot Dv and Miccolli who scored 8 goals for Perugia last term when Dp was not there to disturb his progress
No matter what I say its because I am a Dp fan , it has nothing to do with the fact most of the points being brought up to get rid of Dp are so weak its unreal.
We have only won the cl twice and he was part of 1 of them, Platini is the only other gr8 player who was part of the other, thou Zz won it with RM
He has 5 scudettos and did reasonably well in all 5 in his 9 seasons at Juve
I was told he was no longer the symbol or leader by one of ppl like you who just like to diss him, that its now Nedved , then its Buffon, then its Zambrotta, so why are we not heaping blame on these guys, after all they played way more than he has this season but of cos its more fashioanble to heap the blame on Dp's doorsteps
I put in a thread that Dp has been the most disappointing Juve player this season and I am not one who would just support anyone blindly but sorry I refuse to let what someone else says sway my feeling about any player
While we are at it everyone is shouting about how gr8 Totti is and he hreally has been brilliant this season but he has sucked big time against Milan this season so maybe its not just Dp that has that in his makeup
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