What Are You Doing Right Now? (269 Viewers)

[s4tch]

the surgeon having 4 kids, thus making it seem like higher earning people are not paying taxes.

the friend that i mentioned is an exception, and i mentioned it as an exception

also nice straw man, i never said anything like kids are cheap to raise

i think it's a smart strategy to keep people spending in an inflation affected economy

ouch, i'll stop here

The dude is massively underestimating how expensive kids are.

which dude?

 

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[Seven]

yeah, i mean if we break it down into a simpler way it can be really eye opening.

let's take groceries for example.

give me an example of how much it would cost you to buy groceries for either a week or a month on average. just include neccessies and no restaurants or bars or entertainment

For a week it now costs me about 150 euros, whereas without the kid it would be around 90.

But really that's just one small thing. There's so much you have to pay. Like daycare. That's about 450 a month.

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

That's mad cheap for daycare. I think there are some places here where it's between 500 and 1,000 dollars per week, per kid.

I looked it up, the average in the US is 1,231 dollars a month, or about 8% to 19% of median family income per child, per year. This is according to the Dept. of Labor.

 

[Seven]

That's mad cheap for daycare. I think there are some places here where it's between 500 and 1,000 dollars per week, per kid.

You always have to take into account our taxes though and our income is lower (though apparently recent studies show Belgians are among the richest in the world).

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

You always have to take into account our taxes though and our income is lower (though apparently recent studies show Belgians are among the richest in the world).

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Oh, I totally understand. You should sponsor me to move there and be your buddy guy friend.

 

[Seven]

Oh, I totally understand. You should sponsor me to move there and be your buddy guy friend.

But yeah, your daycare figures show just how expensive it is. And then you have to buy clothes and toys. You may need to upgrade your car too in some cases.



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[s4tch]

For a week it now costs me about 150 euros, whereas without the kid it would be around 90.

But really that's just one small thing. There's so much you have to pay. Like daycare. That's about 450 a month.

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in hungary the daycare is a state financed service, it is free. there are private services for the rich and famous but only the food is different lol. mothers also get to stay home for 2 years (no typo) after the kid's born.

belgium is indeed mad though. we have friends in liége, the wife is hungarian, we visited them this summer. she told us that kids go to school even when they're sick, a running nose, a flu or a cold with a slight fever wouldn't stop them, because grandparents are either dead or live too far away, and a babysitter would be way too expensive. they can afford new bmw's and merc's but no babysitting.

 

[U Picciriddu]

in hungary the daycare is a state financed service, it is free. there are private services for the rich and famous but only the food is different lol. mothers also get to stay home for 2 years (no typo) after the kid's born.

belgium is indeed mad though. we have friends in liége, the wife is hungarian, we visited them this summer. she told us that kids go to school even when they're sick, a running nose, a flu or a cold with a slight fever wouldn't stop them, because grandparents are either dead or live too far away, and a babysitter would be way too expensive. they can afford new bmw's and merc's but no babysitting.

Do you pay for health care?

 

[s4tch]

Do you pay for health care?

depends on the service. if you are insured (so you have a job or you're a entrepreneur and pay the social security contribution), you're entitled to many services.

gp is free, state owned hospitals offer many services. for example i had a gallbladder removal this summer, it was completely free, from the first examination to the last stitch. but the waiting lists can be extremely long, and the types of free service are limited. for example most of dental care is paid, only tooth removal is free. cosmetic surgeries are paid. melanoma removal is free. most kinds of psychiatric or mental care are paid. when you brake a bone the care is free. implants like a hip prosthesis which is pretty common for elderly is free, but the waiting list is like 2.5 years. (a friend called last week to ask for advice, the grandma is waiting for her implant, she's having extreme pain, waiting list is long, private health care is expensive for them. state owned hospital won't do the surgery just because of the pain, but if she broke her hip, she'd be operated.) etc

 

[U Picciriddu]

depends on the service. if you are insured (so you have a job or you're a entrepreneur and pay the social security contribution), you're entitled to many services.

gp is free, state owned hospitals offer many services. for example i had a gallbladder removal this summer, it was completely free, from the first examination to the last stitch. but the waiting lists can be extremely long, and the types of free service are limited. for example most of dental care is paid, only tooth removal is free. cosmetic surgeries are paid. melanoma removal is free. most kinds of psychiatric or mental care are paid. when you brake a bone the care is free. implants like a hip prosthesis which is pretty common for elderly is free, but the waiting list is like 2.5 years. (a friend called last week to ask for advice, the grandma is waiting for her implant, she's having extreme pain, waiting list is long, private health care is expensive for them. state owned hospital won't do the surgery just because of the pain, but if she broke her hip, she'd be operated.) etc

It doesn’t necessarily sounds better than here. The average adult person here pays €160/180 per month, but I got to say that hospitals are pretty good. Above that you pay your ‘own risk’ of about €385 every January, per person. Italy is a mess compared to Dutch healthcare

 

[Dostoevsky]

I heard some crazy story so I need you guys to tell me how it works over there (EU).

Is it really possibile to work in some field for certain amount of period (years) and based on that to get directly on the university to study masters degree? In a sense that those years of experience get you a bachelor degree (in the same fielnd based on your work experience) even without attending university?

I find that shit crazy and I can't believe it. Is that true? I had one guy telling me it's true because his friend did it. WTF!? It makes zero sense to me. That has to be BS, right?

 

[U Picciriddu]

I heard some crazy story so I need you guys to tell me how it works over there (EU).

Is it really possibile to work in some field for certain amount of period (years) and based on that to get directly on the university to study masters degree? In a sense that those years of experience get you a bachelor degree (in the same fielnd based on your work experience) even without attending university?

I find that shit crazy and I can't believe it. Is that true? I had one guy telling me it's true because his friend did it. WTF!? It makes zero sense to me. That has to be BS, right?

I call bs

 

[Lion]

For a week it now costs me about 150 euros, whereas without the kid it would be around 90.

But really that's just one small thing. There's so much you have to pay. Like daycare. That's about 450 a month.

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right, now multiply that by 3 for another 3 kids. or 4 to include other parent.

you are right thats just the tip. kids are expensive as fuck

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I heard some crazy story so I need you guys to tell me how it works over there (EU).

Is it really possibile to work in some field for certain amount of period (years) and based on that to get directly on the university to study masters degree? In a sense that those years of experience get you a bachelor degree (in the same fielnd based on your work experience) even without attending university?

I find that shit crazy and I can't believe it. Is that true? I had one guy telling me it's true because his friend did it. WTF!? It makes zero sense to me. That has to be BS, right?

this is also possible in north america, it's called a course substitute based on field of work. instead of taking that course, you get credit for it because your field of work already covered anything you could have learned.

 

[Dostoevsky]

I call bs

I hope so.

this is also possible in north america, it's called a course substitute based on field of work. instead of taking that course, you get credit for it because your field of work already covered anything you could have learned.

WTF?

Wait.... wait. Is it just the same as finishing bachelor degree? Does it write it's a course or it's literally the same as 4 year of studies for the bachelor degree?

If that's true that's fucking retarded man

 

[Lion]

in hungary the daycare is a state financed service, it is free. there are private services for the rich and famous but only the food is different lol. mothers also get to stay home for 2 years (no typo) after the kid's born.
.

so here in canada, at least in province of ontario, day care is also subsidized, however because there is so much demand and little workforce, the wait list is long and for a lot peopple impossible to get in to.

i would not be surpised if hungary is same and a lot of people have to pay for day care anyway

 

[JuveJay]

Work-based learning here is common, been around for decades. Work-based degrees not so much but they are available.

 

[Lion]

I hope so.



WTF?

Wait.... wait. Is it just the same as finishing bachelor degree? Does it write it's a course or it's literally the same as 4 year of studies for the bachelor degree?

If that's true that's fucking retarded man

as far as i know here in north america it's only substitute for courses in university and college, not for entire degrees. you might be able to prove your work should account for degree or diploma but i assume the standard is high.

for example let's say you joined the army at 18 and through the army you learned courses in accounting and worked in accounting in army for 10 years, it would make sense you can substitute your work experience for taking the same courses in civillian courses.

the only think i know in canada you can do is substitute work experince for a high school diploma. but higher education will be difficult

 

[Post Ironic]

I hope so.



WTF?

Wait.... wait. Is it just the same as finishing bachelor degree? Does it write it's a course or it's literally the same as 4 year of studies for the bachelor degree?

If that's true that's fucking retarded man

Nah. Will never just be given a bachelors degree for work experience. Can occasionally get credit for a few college courses and towards diplomas. It’s more common for the trades and trade school. And even then you generally still have to take the exams. But after enough years of working as a non-accredited carpenter, mason, etc… you can generally skip the school part and challenge the exams to get certified red seal.

 

[Seven]

I heard some crazy story so I need you guys to tell me how it works over there (EU).

Is it really possibile to work in some field for certain amount of period (years) and based on that to get directly on the university to study masters degree? In a sense that those years of experience get you a bachelor degree (in the same fielnd based on your work experience) even without attending university?

I find that shit crazy and I can't believe it. Is that true? I had one guy telling me it's true because his friend did it. WTF!? It makes zero sense to me. That has to be BS, right?

Complete bachelor degrees I doubt. But sometimes you don't have to certain courses if you can demonstrate work experience. It's exceptional though.

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[Dostoevsky]

Work-based learning here is common, been around for decades. Work-based degrees not so much but they are available.

If it's common then I'm not surprised by the high number of diplomas in EU.

I don't think this is fair, though. Not that I don't appreciate work experience, far from it, but it changes the whole picture of the studies as it feels like a total waste of time if this shit is true.

as far as i know here in north america it's only substitute for courses in university and college, not for entire degrees. you might be able to prove your work should account for degree or diploma but i assume the standard is high.

for example let's say you joined the army at 18 and through the army you learned courses in accounting and worked in accounting in army for 10 years, it would make sense you can substitute your work experience for taking the same courses in civillian courses.

the only think i know in canada you can do is substitute work experince for a high school diploma. but higher education will be difficult

I find it strange that the guy got into MA purely based on his work experience. So pretty much it's a direct replacement for bachelor studies of 4 years. That thing is not possible in my country and I was literally shocked when I heard that. By the way, the guy lives in Prague, so it's not some shithole.