What Are You Doing Right Now? (193 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

At what point do you consider yourself able to say that you know a language? When you could have a casual conversation on the street? After a certain word count?

There are framework proficiency levels across different organisations. I always find the CEFR markers as fairly decent.

The Council of Europe’s Common European Framework of References (CEFR) for Languages groups language learners into concrete proficiency levels, where fluency and accuracy are just two of many examined criteria. The CEFR – available in 40 languages – divides proficiency into six “can do” levels – A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, and C2. A corresponds to “Basic” levels, B to “Independent”, and C to “Proficient.” Observable skills include:

A1: Capabilities range include basic introductions and answering questions about personal details provided the listener speaks slowly and is willing to cooperate.

A2: Can describe in simple terms aspects of his/her past, environment and matters related to his/her immediate needs and perform routine tasks requiring basic exchanges of information.

B1: Can deal with most daily life situations in the country where the language is spoken. Can describe experiences, dreams and ambitions and give brief reasons for opinions and goals.

B2: Can understand the themes of complex texts on both concrete and abstract topics and will have achieved a degree of fluency and spontaneity, which makes interaction with native speakers possible without significant strain for either party.

C1: Can understand a wide range of longer texts and recognise subtleties and implicit meaning; producing clear, well-structured and detailed text on complex subjects, showing controlled use of organisational patterns, connectors and cohesive devices.

C2: Can understand virtually everything heard or read, expressing themselves spontaneously, very fluently and precisely, while differentiating finer shades of meaning even in highly complex situations.

In my opinion I would class B2 as being fluent enough to claim that you can speak a language "fluently". That is an accurate claim. C2 is essentially language mastery, native speaker level but perhaps with a discernible accent. The only language I definitely speak at that level is my native English.

 

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[lgorTudor]

At what point do you consider yourself able to say that you know a language? When you could have a casual conversation on the street? After a certain word count?

when you can say literally everything that you can say in your native language

 

[DAiDEViL]

Just ordered this bad boy

Nice!

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

There are framework proficiency levels across different organisations. I always find the CEFR markers as fairly decent.



In my opinion I would class B2 as being fluent enough to claim that you can speak a language "fluently". That is an accurate claim. C2 is essentially language mastery, native speaker level but perhaps with a discernible accent. The only language I definitely speak at that level is my native English.

This is interesting. I think It'd have to agree with B2, maybe B1.

Same . It's very impressive to me that people can seem to learn other languages to this level.

 

[Enron]

At what point do you consider yourself able to say that you know a language? When you could have a casual conversation on the street? After a certain word count?

making and understanding jokes is a pretty good indication

 

[Nzoric]

Quit cigarettes today and it coincided with my 36 hour fast. Thank god I'm alone at the office

 

[DAiDEViL]

Quit cigarettes today and it coincided with my 36 hour fast. Thank god I'm alone at the office

Are you gonna get fat from eating sweets now?

 

[ALC]

Quit cigarettes today and it coincided with my 36 hour fast. Thank god I'm alone at the office

good luck but lol. “Quit cigarettes today” is a weird statement. “Quit cigarettes a year ago” would be what one usually says

 

[lgorTudor]

good luck but lol. “Quit cigarettes today” is a weird statement. “Quit cigarettes a year ago” would be what one usually says

 

[swag]

No, this is the joke...

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Quit cigarettes today and it coincided with my 36 hour fast. Thank god I'm alone at the office

36 hour fast, damn... gotta stay super busy to accomplish that eh?

 

[Seven]

There are framework proficiency levels across different organisations. I always find the CEFR markers as fairly decent.



In my opinion I would class B2 as being fluent enough to claim that you can speak a language "fluently". That is an accurate claim. C2 is essentially language mastery, native speaker level but perhaps with a discernible accent. The only language I definitely speak at that level is my native English.

I think the accent isn't that relevant to determine categories, unless it prevents whoever you are talking with from understanding you.

For example I'd say my Italian is probably between B2 and C1. I'd say my English on the other hand is likely at C2. But my Italian accent is far better than my English / American accent. I've had Italians try and guess where in Italy I was from. They hear a slight accent, but they don't necessarily categorise it as foreign.

I don't know why by the way, the accent just comes more naturally to me.

At the same time I am completely unable to pronounce a French R correctly. Doesn't matter what I say in French, as soon as there's an R in it, I sound like an idiot.

 

[.zero]

Wolfscastle is tops

 

[pavluska]

Which cuisine is better, French or Italian?

 

[swag]

Franco-American

 

[Maddy]

Franco-American

"Product of Canada"

 

[Nzoric]

36 hour fast, damn... gotta stay super busy to accomplish that eh?

It's actually not that bad. I have my last meal Sunday evening and then eat breakfast Tuesday morning.The first two weeks were a bitch, but you kind of get into it and start enjoying it tbh. Staying a few hours more at work and heading straight out to run and then do yoga helps keep the hunger at bay. Weird thing is that yesterday my energy levels were higher than they usually are.

Are you gonna get fat from eating sweets now?

I quit smoking, not nicotine. Fake snus for me from now on until I kick the smoking habbit and then the second round of rehab begins :biggrin:

good luck but lol. “Quit cigarettes today” is a weird statement. “Quit cigarettes a year ago” would be what one usually says

Thanks. Yesterday was my first smoking free day in three years, so it feels like an accomplishment.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I quit smoking about five months ago.

Not proud that I am still using the occasional nicotine pouch but they have saved me from temptation. Haven't had a smoke since and don't think about buying them anymore.

 

[Nzoric]

I quit smoking about five months ago.

Not proud that I am still using the occasional nicotine pouch but they have saved me from temptation. Haven't had a smoke since and don't think about buying them anymore.

Main challenge will be abstaining while shitfaced.

 

[ALC]

First world problems, I have an iPhone X and it’s too old to set it up as a key for my car @Snobist