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Congratulations on the book, bro. How’d the book fair go? Drum up some interest in 19th century Russia? ;)
The hell I know... :lol2: been there, saw it there and went on to buy books. I will get an update in some day in the future. Book fair is open till Sunday, though.

I bought one from Ishiguro as I never read him. I also bought one from Kis, Borges, Lavcraft, Turgenev, Camus and Kafka. :tuttosport:
 

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The hell I know... :lol2: been there, saw it there and went on to buy books. I will get an update in some day in the future. Book fair is open till Sunday, though.

I bought one from Ishiguro as I never read him. I also bought one from Kis, Borges, Lavcraft, Turgenev, Camus and Kafka. :tuttosport:
Buried Giant? Everything else is garbage for women

Also what Camus and what Kafka?
 

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Expected letter to his father :p

When I read Kafka I feel so blessed being able to read German

It's just something else to read a writer in his native language. Sometimes I regret not learning French. @Martin needs to upload more tutorials on youtube
Just about to learn french. Have a project next year in french speaking part of switzerland. Need to refresh the french I learned at schoo 15y ago first and then even improve.
 

Dostoevsky

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Expected letter to his father :p

When I read Kafka I feel so blessed being able to read German

It's just something else to read a writer in his native language. Sometimes I regret not learning French. @Martin needs to upload more tutorials on youtube
No doubt about that. It's even more obvious when it comes to poetry. There are great translations, surely, but it can't really be compared.

I feel that luck when it comes to Selimovic, Kis, Pavic, Pekic, Andric, Kapor and Crnjanski. :D
 

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Expected letter to his father :p

When I read Kafka I feel so blessed being able to read German

It's just something else to read a writer in his native language. Sometimes I regret not learning French. @Martin needs to upload more tutorials on youtube
I read Camus, Balzac, Maupassant, Rabelais, Hugo, Proust, Voltaire, Stendhal, Dumas, Montesquieu in French during my youth... and while it's lovely reading an author in his native tongue, unless you are quite fluent in that language a translator likely has done a far better job of it than you are doing in your head, not to mention footnotes and endnotes that explain colloquialisms and references you aren't likely to get. Seeing as my ability with French was never as great as it should have been, I feel that, having read translations of most of these works as an adult, I took a lot more from them. Poetry, of course, is a far different story, and translations are far the most part utterly pointless.

Now Russian is the language I really wish I could have learnt to the point of fluency. Reading Dostoevsky, Turgenev, Tolstoy, Bulgakov, Chekhov, Lermontov, Gogol, Artsybashev, Goncharov, Gorky, Zamyatin, Bunin, Pushkin, etc in their native language... :tuttosport:

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No doubt about that. It's even more obvious when it comes to poetry. There are great translations, surely, but it can't really be compared.

I feel that luck when it comes to Selimovic, Kis, Pavic, Pekic, Andric, Kapor and Crnjanski. :D
I can't recall... have you read Pynchon yet? I know Gordo and I have both told you to... ;)
 

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I can't recall... have you read Pynchon yet? I know Gordo and I have both told you to... ;)
I haven't but truth be told, I even forgot we mentioned that name. :cry: I was too busy with other books. Now... lemme search. Apparently, we have a couple of his work translated here, which is fantastic. So we have:

V (sold out, I could try finding used one)
The crying of lot 49 (also sold out, could try to find used one)
Bleeding edge
Gravity's rainbow (this came out this month I think)
 

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I haven't but truth be told, I even forgot we mentioned that name. :cry: I was too busy with other books. Now... lemme search. Apparently, we have a couple of his work translated here, which is fantastic. So we have:

V (sold out, I could try finding used one)
The crying of lot 49 (also sold out, could try to find used one)
Bleeding edge
Gravity's rainbow (this came out this month I think)
Read Gravity's Rainbow. Do it. Right now. :p

You seem fluent enough in English to read untranslated, no?
 

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Read Gravity's Rainbow. Do it. Right now. :p

You seem fluent enough in English to read untranslated, no?
TBH I never tried reading serious books in English. I think I enjoy reading it more in native tongue, plus I read it way faster. I'd need a dictionary probably, at least for some words.

:D pretty funny how you mentioned him right now. It's a fresh new book that's out (Gravity) but I fucking knew you'd say that one :lol2: it's freakin' huge... got like 920 pages. Not that I mind that. However, it costs like ~28e LOL and it's just a soft copy. It's on a discount cause of the book fair otherwise it's like 35e. Seems interesting, though.
 

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TBH I never tried reading serious books in English. I think I enjoy reading it more in native tongue, plus I read it way faster. I'd need a dictionary probably, at least for some words.

:D pretty funny how you mentioned him right now. It's a fresh new book that's out (Gravity) but I fucking knew you'd say that one :lol2: it's freakin' huge... got like 920 pages. Not that I mind that. However, it costs like ~28e LOL and it's just a soft copy. It's on a discount cause of the book fair otherwise it's like 35e. Seems interesting, though.
DO it... You won't regret it. I promise.

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How long does it take to begin to make sense? :D I read a few pages and was like "wut?"
Hmmm. I'm not sure one could say it ever fully makes sense. As the novel progresses you understand more and more the gist of the narrative, the storyline. And dependent on what you have read, studied, and your familiarity with his references (history, mathematics, science, psychology, philosophy, etc), some will understand more of the context.

There's a ~450 page companion guide to the novel written by Steven Weisenburger that goes page by page (at times almost line by line) in explaining context and sources.

That being said, I don't really think it's needed to enjoy the book, as behind all the references and divergent pathways one can branch out on, there's a damn entertaining story going on, and Pynchon's writing is often very enjoyable...
 
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I stuck it in a girl for 10 seconds without a condom and then pulled out. 5 weeks later, I have joint pain.

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