AFL_ITALIA

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I know, son. Was just using a controversial word.

In the URL AFL_Italia linked I admitted I would get an abortion if it was up to me :D

It is murder tho.

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Still human lives.
Yeah. I mean, I'm in support of it being legal, but you're still actively ending the process of human life being created.

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I don’t know. It really depends on the person. I’m 34 and this year was told I’m too young by a 38 year old flight attendant, but I had a real solid 2 month relationship with a 25 year old medical resident I met on a run.
Some woman once told me I was too young for her, I was three or four months younger than what she was looking for :disagree:
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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I know, son. Was just using a controversial word.

In the URL AFL_Italia linked I admitted I would get an abortion if it was up to me :D

It is murder tho.

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Still human lives.
Didn’t see you say that. :tup:

I don’t consider it murder. Certainly not with regards to fetuses before they are viable.

If anything, abortion should be recommended in more cases, where the parents don’t want a child. The world is overpopulated enough already, bringing more unwanted children into it is rather foolish, even more so considering the poor quality of life many will have.

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Yeah. I mean, I'm in support of it being legal, but you're still actively ending the process of human life being created.

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Some woman once told me I was too young for her, I was three or four months younger than what she was looking for :disagree:
I’d say the key words there are process and created. Human life is not being ended. You’re terminating the process of creation of human life. Important distinction in my opinion. But to each their own. Abortion arguments will never end.

On the second part. :lol:

People in general can be so ridiculous about such things, but in general women more so. Height is the other hilarious one. I can understand why a 6’ tall woman wouldn’t want to date a guy shorter than her. But when I hear 5’2 women talking about how they won’t date guys under 6’, it’s pretty :lol:
 
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AFL_ITALIA

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Didn’t see you say that. :tup:

I don’t consider it murder. Certainly not with regards to fetuses before they are viable.

If anything, abortion should be recommended in more cases, where the parents don’t want a child. The world is overpopulated enough already, bringing more unwanted children into it is rather foolish, even more so considering the poor quality of life many will have.

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I’d say the key words there are process and created. Human life is not being ended. You’re terminating the process of creation of human life. Important distinction in my opinion. But to each their own. Abortion arguments will never end.

On the second part. :lol:

People in general can be so ridiculous about such things, but in general women more so. Height is the other hilarious one. I can understand why a 6’ tall woman wouldn’t want to date a guy shorter than her. But when I hear 5’2 women talking about how they won’t date guys under 6’, it’s pretty :lol:
:agree: Freakonomics linked abortions to a lower crime rate.

This is true. I could see their side of it is all I'm saying.

I'm 5'6", you can imagine how my life has gone with that :p. Although my friend is 5'8", he told some girl that he was 6' tall and she believed it. Although, it might've helped that he is unfairly attractive regardless of that...
 

Juvenann

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Women kill cells every month :lol3:.

If we talk about abortion, we are obviously talking about an unwanted pregnancy. Think of a woman of extreme poverty, pregnant, because she has no access to any type of resource and lives in a context of poverty and violence. What quality of life can she and her partner give to that child?
The solution for people who oppose the abortion law is to "take care" in sexual relationships (when no contraceptive method is 100% effective) or give the baby up for adoption (when the adoption law here is a shit) or simply having the baby, no matter the circumstances. That's the wonderful logic of people who have money to pay for an abortion safely. Not to mention that these same people are those who oppose to integral sexual education for that young girls and boys have the possibility of avoiding unwanted pregnancies.
 

IliveForJuve

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Didn’t see you say that. :tup:

I don’t consider it murder. Certainly not with regards to fetuses before they are viable.

If anything, abortion should be recommended in more cases, where the parents don’t want a child. The world is overpopulated enough already, bringing more unwanted children into it is rather foolish, even more so considering the poor quality of life many will have.

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I’d say the key words there are process and created. Human life is not being ended. You’re terminating the process of creation of human life. Important distinction in my opinion. But to each their own. Abortion arguments will never end.

On the second part. :lol:

People in general can be so ridiculous about such things, but in general women more so. Height is the other hilarious one. I can understand why a 6’ tall woman wouldn’t want to date a guy shorter than her. But when I hear 5’2 women talking about how they won’t date guys under 6’, it’s pretty :lol:
:tup:

My view is that from a biological standpoint a zygote derived from human egg and sperm is a potential human. The word potential merely means not brought to full term in the womb.

It is a bit baffling that some can't see why a zygote is different from a bodily cell (skin cell, sperm, doesn't really matter). A zygote is a developing human organism (aka person), sperm is not.

Sperm absolutely cannot become a person like a zygote as a matter of biology.

On the other hand, a zygote is already totipotent without any intervention. It already is growing as a person would, precisely because this is when every person has their distinct beginning.

However, from a non-biological standpoint, a majority of people in the US and Europe will consider a 12+-week old fetus as a potential human but a substantial part of population in feel free to kill or abort any embryo or zygote.

Abortion discussions are a slippery slope but I just felt I needed to put this out there.
 

Post Ironic

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:tup:

My view is that from a biological standpoint a zygote derived from human egg and sperm is a potential human. The word potential merely means not brought to full term in the womb.

It is a bit baffling that some can't see why a zygote is different from a bodily cell (skin cell, sperm, doesn't really matter). A zygote is a developing human organism (aka person), sperm is not.

Sperm absolutely cannot become a person like a zygote as a matter of biology.

On the other hand, a zygote is already totipotent without any intervention. It already is growing as a person would, precisely because this is when every person has their distinct beginning.

However, from a non-biological standpoint, a majority of people in the US and Europe will consider a 12+-week old fetus as a potential human but a substantial part of population in feel free to kill or abort any embryo or zygote.

Abortion discussions are a slippery slope but I just felt I needed to put this out there.
I agree with this. :tup:

And that is the important difference for me, that between a potential human and a human, and therein lies my agreement with early stage abortions. Especially those prior to about 20 weeks, when a fetus isn't viable outside the womb.

Abortion discussions are a slippery slope for sure.
 

IliveForJuve

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Some woman once told me I was too young for her, I was three or four months younger than what she was looking for :disagree:
That was a shit test and you failed it :p

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Women kill cells every month :lol3:.

If we talk about abortion, we are obviously talking about an unwanted pregnancy. Think of a woman of extreme poverty, pregnant, because she has no access to any type of resource and lives in a context of poverty and violence. What quality of life can she and her partner give to that child? The solution for people who oppose the abortion law is to "take care" in sexual relationships (when no contraceptive method is 100% effective) or give the baby up for adoption (when the adoption law here is a shit) or simply having the baby, no matter the circumstances. That's the wonderful logic of people who have money to pay for an abortion safely. Not to mention that these same people are those who oppose to integral sexual education for that young girls and boys have the possibility of avoiding unwanted pregnancies.
I'd be interested in a study asking a few thousand people who grew up in underprivileged backgrounds whether they wish they'd never been born. I suspect most probably want to stick around.
 
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Fr3sh

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Yeah. I mean, I'm in support of it being legal, but you're still actively ending the process of human life being created.

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Some woman once told me I was too young for her, I was three or four months younger than what she was looking for :disagree:
Never believe what some random broad says, believe her actions. If you we're to put 18 year old Justin Bieber in front of her, she'd be trying to convince him to have unprotected sex, if he refused she'd pierce holes in his condoms. All of them.
 

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Never believe what some random broad says, believe her actions. If you we're to put 18 year old Justin Bieber in front of her, she'd be trying to convince him to have unprotected sex, if he refused she'd pierce holes in his condoms. All of them.
Whatever, he cant get pregnant from the strapon anyway.
 

Juvenann

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God, who's that ZoSo? My eyes almost bleed from reading him. The typical hypocrite who is against abortion because he thinks that people who are in a favor despise human life, while he despises homosexuals, comparing equal marriage with marrying an object :rofl:.
Proud of the weight arguments @Post Ironic uses :touched:.

Never believe what some random broad says, believe her actions. If you we're to put 18 year old Justin Bieber in front of her, she'd be trying to convince him to have unprotected sex, if he refused she'd pierce holes in his condoms. All of them.
How disgusting to fuck with Bieber.
 

AFL_ITALIA

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ZoSo's cool, I just don't agree with his political views at all. Miss that guy :p

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Time for an "exploratory conversation" 1 for a different position within my company. Turns out that it looks a lot more accounting based than I realized initially, which I have very little background in. Gotta either BS my way to victory or fuck it up completely :tup:
 
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Seven

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Never believe what some random broad says, believe her actions. If you we're to put 18 year old Justin Bieber in front of her, she'd be trying to convince him to have unprotected sex, if he refused she'd pierce holes in his condoms. All of them.
You should always value people on their actions, but man you have to stop surrounding yourself with trash women / people.

So many guys on here have this completely warped notion of women. I'm completely against putting women on a pedestal and can't stand nice guys / white knights, but not all women are the calculating money hungry whores some posters on here think they are.


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You should always value people on their actions, but man you have to stop surrounding yourself with trash women / people.

So many guys on here have this completely warped notion of women. I'm completely against putting women on a pedestal and can't stand nice guys / white knights, but not all women are the calculating money hungry whores some posters on here think they are.


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I tried to say this before and I was called "programmed" or something. :boh:
 

Seven

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I tried to say this before and I was called "programmed" or something. :boh:
Some guys seem to have a hard time dealing with reality. No, not all women will want to have sex with you. And yes, some of those will string you along regardless. It's up to you to recognize that behaviour and cut those women out of your life. But that doesn't mean every woman is like that.

Nuance is so often lost in these debates.

And this entire us vs them attitude that is becoming more and more popular just doesn't sit well with me.

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You should always value people on their actions, but man you have to stop surrounding yourself with trash women / people.

So many guys on here have this completely warped notion of women. I'm completely against putting women on a pedestal and can't stand nice guys / white knights, but not all women are the calculating money hungry whores some posters on here think they are.


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Totally agree. Its almost like half the worlds population are not all the same.

Its like the women that date asshole guys over and over again then by 35 shave their head become a lesbian and write for everydayfeminism. Men are not evil you are just too dumb/ immature / emotionally traumatized to stop chasing the shitbags.
 

Seven

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Totally agree. Its almost like half the worlds population are not all the same.

Its like the women that date asshole guys over and over again then by 35 shave their head become a lesbian and write for everydayfeminism. Men are not evil you are just too dumb/ immature / emotionally traumatized to stop chasing the shitbags.
Exactly. This is more about you than it is about them. There are plenty of good men and women out there. If you keep ending up with cheating bitches it's your own damn fault. Take some responsibility.

People on everyday feminism or that insane incel reddit thread have decided to do the complete opposite though.

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