ZoSo

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True, the loudness wars is a huge factor in a lot of these decisions. If you wanna think commercially, it's a necessary evil as it is now.
I don't think it's necessary as it's made out to be. For a pop artist sure, but for older style rock/metal band I don't think so, considering how popular stuff from 70s/80s/90s still is.
 

ZoSo

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The song is terrible. But just imagine how it would come off had it not been produced in a fashion that would make Bob Rock in his heyday jelly.
Worse? If that's possible I guess.

Bob Rock is great. He probably overstayed his welcome a bit welcome but he did do a good job in giving Metallica what they wanted. Plus, the Black Album, Load and ReLoad are mixed mastered amazingly.
 

Jem83

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Badmotorfucker and Jem, allow me to school you.


Pop music is making a return to sounding like proper music again. That is so awesomefully produced.
Very nice production and mix, particularly the low-end.

Would've used a bit longer reverbs / delays on the strings, because them disappearing too fast makes for a smaller sound (as in creating the illusion of her being in a smaller room) :stuckup:

Had they been longer, they could've added more dimensional depth. I'm sure they thought of that, though, and probably didn't go for it due to wanting a more "modern" sound. When things are a bit on the reverby side, they tend to sound more retro. But I like that.

Vocals are perfect.
 

Nzoric

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Worse? If that's possible I guess.

Bob Rock is great. He probably overstayed his welcome a bit welcome but he did do a good job in giving Metallica what they wanted. Plus, the Black Album, Load and ReLoad are mixed mastered amazingly.
My point exactly. I wasn't talking about the songwriting quality of Call Me Maybe. It just sounds amazing. So much space around the instruments, they all breathe, quality layers and the drum working in the top of the headspace to make it all gel.

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I don't think so, I think it's because the backing is unique that it doesn't matter so much compared to say Lady Gaga that is synth heavy.
But it's not loud. The track doesn't clip, unlike most pop music produced in the past 4 years. It's actually quite low, if you really want the feeling of it pounding on your ear drums you have to turn it waaaaaay up. Listen to the song in HD and try to listen :D . Reznor is a genious.
 

Jem83

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My point exactly. I wasn't talking about the songwriting quality of Call Me Maybe. It just sounds amazing. So much space around the instruments, they all breathe, quality layers and the drum working in the top of the headspace to make it all gel.
The separation of all of the elements in this mix is great, definitely.

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Reznor is a genious.
He's my God.
 

ZoSo

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But it's not loud. The track doesn't clip, unlike most pop music produced in the past 4 years. It's actually quite low, if you really want the feeling of it pounding on your ear drums you have to turn it waaaaaay up. Listen to the song in HD and try to listen :D . Reznor is a genious.
I didn't say it is loud. I said because it's unique it doesn't really need the loudness to stand out compared to things like Katy Perry, Lady Gaga etc that sound similar-ish.

What does Reznor have to do with it? :shifty:
 

Nzoric

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This is so fucking awesome. The mix is amazing too


First time I noticed the quality mix and production of Call Me Maybe was a few weeks into the frenzy the song stirred. I thought to myself "This is so fucking terrible - but why am I not as pissed off with it as I should be". Because it's quite pleasant to listen to :D
 

Jem83

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But it's not loud. The track doesn't clip, unlike most pop music produced in the past 4 years.
No commercial tracks clip, because they've all been sent to mastering, and they have a digital limiter on the Stereo-bus, which sets a "bolted" roof for the sound at typically -0.15dB.

But if you're talking about ear-fatiguing, unpleasant sound, it's just because they overehmphasized the higher frequencies (typically between 5-6khz - 20khz). If this is done digitally, it can become quite nasty.
 

Nzoric

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Jan 16, 2011
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What does Reznor have to do with it? :shifty:
Reznor pretty much educated Ogilvie and helped out with the mix on Call Me Maybe.

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No commercial tracks clip, because they've all been sent to mastering, and they have a digital limiter on the Stereo-bus, which sets a "bolted" roof for the sound at typically -0.15dB.
Didn't know that.

Did you ever check out the wave file from Death Magnetic? That's where the loudness war peaked imo



Who the fuck gets paid to do that?
 

ZoSo

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A few of the best mixed/mastered albums (imo):

Rage Against The Machine - Rage Against The Machine (!!!!!!!!!!)
Metallica - Metallica
Mezmerize - SoaD
Countdown To Extinction - Megadeth
BSSM - RHCP
Lateralus - Tool
 

Martin

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No commercial tracks clip, because they've all been sent to mastering, and they have a digital limiter on the Stereo-bus, which sets a "bolted" roof for the sound at typically -0.15dB.

But if you're talking about ear-fatiguing, unpleasant sound, it's just because they overehmphasized the higher frequencies (typically between 5-6khz - 20khz). If this is done digitally, it can become quite nasty.
Eh yeah, terrific. So can you tell me why they write dB with a minus sign?
 

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