What Are You Doing Right Now? (296 Viewers)

[ZoSo]

meh!

This is the sale I'm fapping to right now: http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=351

Mercury Bundle

Download it for free

What music (I assume) do you make/produce?

What is Waves? Is that just a website or a program like Ableton, Reason, Protools etc?

 

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[Jem83]

State of the art mixing and mastering tools (eq's and compressors with algorithms modelled after classic analogue gear, limiters, reverbs, delays, flangers, chorus-effects, distortion tools and other digital processing effects)!

:xmas:

 

[Martin]

State of the art mixing and mastering tools (eq's and compressors with algorithms modelled after classic analogue gear, limiters, reverbs, delays, flangers, chorus-effects, distortion tools and other digital processing effects)!

:xmas:

sounds like audacity

 

[ZoSo]

State of the art mixing and mastering tools (eq's and compressors with algorithms modelled after classic analogue gear, limiters, reverbs, delays, flangers, chorus-effects, distortion tools and other digital processing effects)!

:xmas:

Analog audio Vacuum tube amplifiers

 

[Jem83]

Download it for free

What music (I assume) do you make/produce?

What is Waves? Is that just a website or a program like Ableton, Reason, Protools etc?

I'd never download shit like that for free. I've spent a fortune on plugins and other gear. But I don't want to have a discussion about copyright again, Martin and I went down that road a couple of weeks ago, and it was very tiresome

I use Ableton Live for production and mixing. I can produce various styles, but I'm currently working on an industrial metal-project.

Waves is a company that makes some of the best digital plugins for mixing and mastering you'll ever find. There are some other great manufacturers as well, such as UAD. There's not a single commercial release out there today who hasn't had some form of treatment with either the Waves or the UAD stuff. In addition to analogue gear of course.

I have the Gold bundle and some of the smaller bundles. Great stuff.

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Analog audio Vacuum tube amplifiers

Yeah, you can't beat that for "warmth" and that classic, warm harmonic distortion.

In a lot of genres, such as rock, you'd definitely want that.

 

[ZoSo]

Very cool

I think the sound quality of Ableton is not that great though, compared to Pro Tools. Even with great plugins.

Ever tried the izotope mastering stuff like Ozone?

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Yeah, you can't beat that for "warmth" and that classic, warm harmonic distortion.

In a lot of genres, such as rock, you'd definitely want that.

You can never have enough of that.

Distortion of tubes breaking up

 

[Jem83]

Very cool

I think the sound quality of Ableton is not that great though, compared to Pro Tools. Even with great plugins.

Ever tried the izotope mastering stuff like Ozone?

Yeah, I have Ozone 5.

Regarding Ableton, it's improved massively. The sound engine is simply fantastic now, and it's considered by many the best DAW around. I just saw a rating where it came in 2nd with Pro Tools ending up in 6th place or something.

Depeche Mode's "Songs of the Universe" was made in Ableton Live, and most hip-hop producers alternative between Live and Logic.

http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/the-15-best-daw-software-apps-in-the-world-today-238905/1

AL9 will be released soon, and it looks fantastic.

 

[ZoSo]

Also fair enough about the copyright thing. I just download it for free to use and make stuff for my own personal enjoyment and/or friends but if I wanted to actually release something and maybe even make money off it then getting the real thing is essential.

 

[Jem83]

You can never have enough of that.

Distortion of tubes breaking up

Yeah man. I love harmonic distortion, all types of distortion. It's kind of why I'm so into industrial at the moment, because you can put it on everything, even vocals. And not just in a subtle way (even though you have to be careful with it).

 

[ZoSo]

Yeah, I have Ozone 5.

Regarding Ableton, it's improved massively. The sound engine is simply fantastic now, and it's considered by many the best DAW around. I just saw a rating where it came in 2nd with Pro Tools ending up in 6th place or something.

Depeche Mode's "Songs of the Universe" was made in Ableton Live, and most hip-hop producers alternative between Live and Logic.

http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/the-15-best-daw-software-apps-in-the-world-today-238905/1

AL9 will be released soon, and it looks fantastic.

That sounds off (no pun intended ).

Ableton is definitely amazing for the actual use and arranging etc, but I'm sure if you wanted to get a professional sounding mix you'd use Pro Tools (at least in reasonable $$$).

AL8 is great, it'll be interesting to see what they improve & add.

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Yeah man. I love harmonic distortion, all types of distortion. It's kind of why I'm so into industrial at the moment, because you can put it on everything, even vocals. And not just in a subtle way (even though you have to be careful with it).

Haven't heard much industrial stuff, though I know the sound

 

[Jem83]

sounds like audacity

You can do some of the work in audacity I guess, but there's just so much craft and pure genius that's gone into the Waves stuff. You have people such as Andy Wallace (mixed Nirvana's Nevermind), Eddie Kramer, Jack Joseph Puig, Chris Lord Alge (Springsteen, Green Day) who have helped out in the process of creating the plugins, so they're quite something. Waves and UAD also cooperate with the biggest manufacturers of analogue gear (Neve and SSL [who make analogue desks that cost millions of dollars]). Audacity hasn't made those type of investment into their software, which is why it simply doesn't cut it if you want the very best results.

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AL8 is great, it'll be interesting to see what they improve & add.

One of the things you should be the most excited about, is that they've entered into a partnership with the manufacturer "Cytomic", the maker of a famous compressor called "The Glue", an SSL-emulation. It's considered by many in the Gearslutz-community (www.gearslutz.com) as the best digital compressor out there. I bought it stand-alone, it's a beast.

 

[ZoSo]

I think he was just trolling

One thing I dislike is 99% of music today is so over-compressed that the music is partly ruined because of it. Taking away the dynamics kills so much atmosphere and its a small part of the reason of why the best 70s bands are as good as they were (at least on the records anyway). Fucking loudness wars

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One of the things you should be the most excited about, is that they've entered into a partnership with the manufacturer "Cytomic", the maker of a famous compressor called "The Glue", an SSL-emulation. It's considered by many in the Gearslutz-community (www.gearslutz.com) as the best digital compressor out there. I bought it stand-alone, it's a beast.

Gearslutz I love reading about the most obscure specific things on there

I guess that's good because a lot of the standard plug-ins were quite average in AL8.

 

[Jem83]

I think he was just trolling

One thing I dislike is 99% of music today is so over-compressed that the music is partly ruined because of it. Taking away the dynamics kills so much atmosphere and its a small part of the reason of why the best 70s bands are as good as they were (at least on the records anyway). Fucking loudness wars

Couldn't agree more. One thing I very seldom do is "sidechain compression" / "ducking", you know that stuff which makes the David Guetta songs go like "oontz, oontz, oontz"

A lot of the dance music and mainstream music is insanely overcompressed. I like compression if it's done subtly, just to even out peaks and make better room for other elements in the mix. I always remember a quote from Alan Meyerson: "Just let it kiss the needle"

He means that as a general rule of thumb, you only wanna see the needle move just a little bit, just enough to get rid of the peaks. If you have to compress like a motherfucker; do the damn recording again. Or change genre

 

[Klovn]

Btw, Winter Sale on Steam. Assassins Creed 2 for 3 EU

I'm stacking up on virgin.

Can you recommend a game, where you can play two at the same pc? Like Football Manager?

 

[ZoSo]

Sidechaining is good when used properly, i.e. 90s french house. But yeah when it sounds all digital (because it is) it sounds like crap. Not like David Guetta's music is good anyway

I think anything that's remotely popular is over compressed for loudness. Listen to metal, everyone is going for that Andy Sneap sound. Loud as fuck and little dynamics. Squashed drums and guitars that are in your face (not in a good way). Makes ear fatigue happen very easily.

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Can you recommend a game, where you can play two at the same pc? Like Football Manager?

Circle jerk. You and hustina?

 

[Nzoric]

Can you recommend a game, where you can play two at the same pc? Like Football Manager?

Hmm.. F1 2010 was an awesome racing game. Other than that I dont really know, most multiplayer games like that are played on PS3 or other consoles.

 

[Martin]

You can do some of the work in audacity I guess, but there's just so much craft and pure genius that's gone into the Waves stuff. You have people such as Andy Wallace (mixed Nirvana's Nevermind), Eddie Kramer, Jack Joseph Puig, Chris Lord Alge (Springsteen, Green Day) who have helped out in the process of creating the plugins, so they're quite something. Waves and UAD also cooperate with the biggest manufacturers of analogue gear (Neve and SSL [who make analogue desks that cost millions of dollars]). Audacity hasn't made those type of investment into their software, which is why it simply doesn't cut it if you want the very best results.

I was kidding about that. Audacity is pretty painful to use even for simple things, despite how many people do. Even to produce minute-long recordings for a homemade language course it's more effort than it should be.

Not to mention it has a general rusty feel to it. Not very responsive, crashy etc.

 

[Jem83]

Sidechaining is good when used properly, i.e. 90s french house. But yeah when it sounds all digital (because it is) it sounds like crap. Not like David Guetta's music is good anyway

I think anything that's remotely popular is over compressed for loudness. Listen to metal, everyone is going for that Andy Sneap sound. Loud as fuck and little dynamics. Squashed drums and guitars that are in your face (not in a good way). Makes ear fatigue happen very easily.

True, the loudness wars is a huge factor in a lot of these decisions. If you wanna think commercially, it's a necessary evil as it is now.

 

[Nzoric]

Badmotorfucker and Jem, allow me to school you.


Pop music is making a return to sounding like proper music again. That is so awesomefully produced.

 

[Jem83]

I was kidding about that. Audacity is pretty painful to use even for simple things, despite how many people do. Even to produce minute-long recordings for a homemade language course it's more effort than it should be.

Ah ok, my bad. I haven't used Audacity much, you see, I'm just aware of some of it's features (i.e. that it has tons of dsp effects).