Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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no way it is saturday night and you have still to do a load of shit for your uni?
Im doing an MA, its non stop work.

What you researching, man?
The CNN effect (mass media can trigger humanitarian interventions by forcing an issue into the public sphere). In relation to the Iran Protests 2009 and Libya 2011. Argument is that the CNN effect doesn't exist other than for a government to gain support for an issue, its an argument thats been going around since the 60s in regards to the Vietnam War. With Iran on day 1 obama said something about it not being any of their business and the media fraimed it the event as a crisis but one that we couldn't do anything about, libya the UK wanted to intervene but didnt have international backing until about the 17th march - the articles are all fraimed about the US/Germany/Russia not wanted to get involved but that we needed to get involved. Q.E.D.
 

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Im doing an MA, its non stop work.



The CNN effect (mass media can trigger humanitarian interventions by forcing an issue into the public sphere). In relation to the Iran Protests 2009 and Libya 2011. Argument is that the CNN effect doesn't exist other than for a government to gain support for an issue, its an argument thats been going around since the 60s in regards to the Vietnam War. With Iran on day 1 obama said something about it not being any of their business and the media fraimed it the event as a crisis but one that we couldn't do anything about, libya the UK wanted to intervene but didnt have international backing until about the 17th march - the articles are all fraimed about the US/Germany/Russia not wanted to get involved but that we needed to get involved. Q.E.D.
So you are arguing that this mass media effect is really all a government tool?
 

Ford Prefect

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So you are arguing that this mass media effect is really all a government tool?
I'm arguing in between. Causality is impossible to prove in this context. Without one of the two coming out and saying exactly how it works. The only fair way to view it is as a complex web of interaction. The CNN Effect is largely disproved. My argument is that the Media can bitch about something all they want, but if a government doesn't have an incentive to act it wont. In the case of Iran they were told explicitly from the off that the US wasn't getting involved. With Libya the UK and France after the first week were fairly vocal about there intention to get involved, whether the media reacted to that or if they reacted on there own is something that I can't prove.
 

Nzoric

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I'm arguing in between. Causality is impossible to prove in this context. Without one of the two coming out and saying exactly how it works. The only fair way to view it is as a complex web of interaction. The CNN Effect is largely disproved. My argument is that the Media can bitch about something all they want, but if a government doesn't have an incentive to act it wont. In the case of Iran they were told explicitly from the off that the US wasn't getting involved. With Libya the UK and France after the first week were fairly vocal about there intention to get involved, whether the media reacted to that or if they reacted on there own is something that I can't prove.
Have you seen the war on democracy by John Pilger? Biased as fuck, but he brings up some very intelligent points regarding western media and their selective coverage of instances. If you have the time, I suggest you download it from the bay where pirates hide and take a look.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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Have you seen the war on democracy by John Pilger? Biased as fuck, but he brings up some very intelligent points regarding western media and their selective coverage of instances. If you have the time, I suggest you download it from the bay where pirates hide and take a look.
I've done a fair bit of reading on media bias and 'news-worth'. You have to remember that the media (in all its forms) is a consumer industry, they only respond to the uses and gratifications of their audiences. No matter how cynical it gets, it is simple supply and demand. The whole NOTW hacking scandle pissed me off because no one acknowledged that they were just a responce to the culture that society has created.
 

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I've done a fair bit of reading on media bias and 'news-worth'. You have to remember that the media (in all its forms) is a consumer industry, they only respond to the uses and gratifications of their audiences. No matter how cynical it gets, it is simple supply and demand. The whole NOTW hacking scandle pissed me off because no one acknowledged that they were just a responce to the culture that society has created.
Bah. Most people forget that in the media, the product is you. You are what gets bought and sold to advertisers.
 

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