Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
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I've done a fair bit of reading on media bias and 'news-worth'. You have to remember that the media (in all its forms) is a consumer industry, they only respond to the uses and gratifications of their audiences. No matter how cynical it gets, it is simple supply and demand. The whole NOTW hacking scandle pissed me off because no one acknowledged that they were just a responce to the culture that society has created.
I know, but I'd still like you to watch that movie. I'm as big a documentary critic as any, but it's really good .
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Its not that simple and you know it.
It's most of the equation, however. People can be as cynical as they want about the media, but in effect it is largely a mirror. If the populace responds to fear-mongering and weather-with-titties, they give them fear-mongering and weather-with-titties. You can make the claim that they won't bite the hand that feeds them, in terms of sponsors. But beyond that, it's as crass and basic in its instincts as the people who watch it.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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It's most of the equation, however. People can be as cynical as they want about the media, but in effect it is largely a mirror. If the populace responds to fear-mongering and weather-with-titties, they give them fear-mongering and weather-with-titties. You can make the claim that they won't bite the hand that feeds them, in terms of sponsors. But beyond that, it's as crass and basic in its instincts as the people who watch it.
Where do public service broadcasters fit into this view of the media? Or online platforms that don't have adverts(rare i know) or where users have adblock on?

Ive decided to treat myself and put the heating on...can't work out if to warm my hands or feet first hmmm.
 

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Where do public service broadcasters fit into this view of the media? Or online platforms that don't have adverts(rare i know) or where users have adblock on?
Less cleavage and fear-mongering, for one.

Ive decided to treat myself and put the heating on...can't work out if to warm my hands or feet first hmmm.
The microwave would do the job quickly.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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I have to say... I found his "How TV Ruined Your Life" series to be insufferably dumbed-down and unwatchable.
It was a rehash of the 6 series of screenwipe. I wasn't posting that for charlie, more for Adam Curtis, who is great film maker on journalism. His series 'the power of nightmares' is fascinating. His method of delivering doc's is great.


This was the one i had meant to post btw :D

 

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It was a rehash of the 6 series of screenwipe. I wasn't posting that for charlie, more for Adam Curtis, who is great film maker on journalism. His series 'the power of nightmares' is fascinating. His method of delivering doc's is great.


This was the one i had meant to post btw :D

Oh, this is much more my style. I very much agree with the premise. However, the missing piece in this concerns how little reporters understand some of the things they report on. Science reporting, for example, has too many laymen who know nothing about the scientific method and how to tell one crazy study from one sane one. People who don't know the difference between statistical correlation, causation, and just randomness. Or even just a poorly constructed experiment.

Many of these knowledge gaps coming to the revolution in media cost-cutting over the past 20-30 years where expensive, knowledgable, experienced types were replaced wholesale by far cheaper, more attractive, younger, and more clueless reporting substitutes.
 

Ford Prefect

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May 28, 2009
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Oh, this is much more my style. I very much agree with the premise. However, the missing piece in this concerns how little reporters understand some of the things they report on. Science reporting, for example, has too many laymen who know nothing about the scientific method and how to tell one crazy study from one sane one. People who don't know the difference between statistical correlation, causation, and just randomness. Or even just a poorly constructed experiment.

Many of these knowledge gaps coming to the revolution in media cost-cutting over the past 20-30 years where expensive, knowledgable, experienced types were replaced wholesale by far cheaper, more attractive, younger, and more clueless reporting substitutes.
My dept did a massive content analysis of all newspaper publications in the uk over a 6 month period (iirc) and they found that 90% of stories published we're just rehashing press releases - 'churn-alism' as my tutor calls it. Loads of criticisms of journalism cite the study now, im citing it in my research project and diss.

If you are just rehashing a press release then you clearly have no background knowledge on the subject or are too lazy to question what you are reading.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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Rip-and-read is what my wife calls it. She used to be a TV reporter.

The problem again goes back to cost-cutting measures. When you have to fill a newspaper or airtime, you don't get much reward for the additional time you put in to get things right, to ask questions, to check facts. So what happens is that industry makes the reporter's job that much easier by doing everything short of putting words in their mouths when they have a dozen stories to complete in a given day.
 

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