What Are You Doing Right Now? (211 Viewers)

[pavluska]

There is zero innovation in this truck especially in design. These shapes, body construction, materials have all been tried before in the automotive industry. There are reasons why we should not go back to the 80ies.
While I like Mad Max movies I do not want to prepare for living in such a dystopian world.
EVs should become lighter and lighter and not copy military tanks.
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Why do they need to be lighter? For ICE, lighter means faster acceleration/more torque and less gas cost. The same doesn't apply to EVs. You get instant max torque, very high 0-60, and no gas $.

Yeah, still makes a diff with turning, etc, but one way or the other that's not applicable to trucks.


Cybertruck seems practical too. Costs the same as sedan, smaller than reg truck coz of hood but has same load & pull capacity for when you need it, and no gas.

 

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regardless of practicality i cannot get past the name and appearance.

 

[pavelnel]

Why do they need to be lighter? For ICE, lighter means faster acceleration/more torque and less gas cost. The same doesn't apply to EVs. You get instant max torque, very high 0-60, and no gas $.

Yeah, still makes a diff with turning, etc, but one way or the other that's not applicable to trucks.


Cybertruck seems practical too. Costs the same as sedan, smaller than reg truck coz of hood but has same load & pull capacity for when you need it, and no gas.

The same applies to EVs - lighter vehicles are more efficient (meaning more range), faster and enjoyable to drive. Lighter vehicles are more maneuverable and easy on the road. Monsters like this truck will bend the asphalt during summer months. I hate them with passion on the highway.
Cybertruck's specs are just vaporware at this stage. Tesla does not possess the technology to produce them and this is why the production dates are so vaguely defined. If they have some new battery tech Musk will boast about it. They do not, as when this truck is available, a new generation of batteries are expected by CATL, Northvolt, VW, BMW, BYD, Samsung and LG Chem which are in line or even better with what Tesla will have.
Not to mention that even the advertised specs are a joke when you consider that range, for example, will be severely limited when towing or in winter or both. 250 miles advertised will be 200 in real life and even less than 100 miles while towing. There are many videos where Model X tries to tow only for its range to drop three times. Towing is much less of a penalty for petrol cars.
I do not see many practical reasons for CT to be considered by anyone outside of Tesla fanboys. Being the ugliest car ever shown does not help their cause.
Despite all of this I see huge interest in the beginning because it is different and the reservation amount is really minuscule (100 USD) but the conversion rate to actual purchases may not be very high.

 

[pavluska]

The same applies to EVs - lighter vehicles are more efficient (meaning more range), faster and enjoyable to drive. Lighter vehicles are more maneuverable and easy on the road. Monsters like this truck will bend the asphalt during summer months. I hate them with passion on the highway.
Cybertruck's specs are just vaporware at this stage. Tesla does not possess the technology to produce them and this is why the production dates are so vaguely defined. If they have some new battery tech Musk will boast about it. They do not, as when this truck is available, a new generation of batteries are expected by CATL, Northvolt, VW, BMW, BYD, Samsung and LG Chem which are in line or even better with what Tesla will have.
Not to mention that even the advertised specs are a joke when you consider that range, for example, will be severely limited when towing or in winter or both. 250 miles advertised will be 200 in real life and even less than 100 miles while towing. There are many videos where Model X tries to tow only for its range to drop three times. Towing is much less of a penalty for petrol cars.
I do not see many practical reasons for CT to be considered by anyone outside of Tesla fanboys. Being the ugliest car ever shown does not help their cause.
Despite all of this I see huge interest in the beginning because it is different and the reservation amount is really minuscule (100 USD) but the conversion rate to actual purchases may not be very high.

I don't know much about battery tech, so maybe you'll be proven right in the long run, but in that case, it's bad news for future projection of Tesla as a whole and isn't Cybertruck-specific. Also, the same battery problem you're concerned about even with the diff design you want.

In the short term, 187k preorders in 3 days being anything but a positive start is a very different interpretation.

Don't know how the truck will do among shy Euro males, but it'll definitely have its cult following in merica.

Maneuverability isn't synonymous with trucks. That's not what they're designed for. You're looking for a diff vehicle altogether. And Tesla in general makes heavy cars. Between 250 to 500, range isn't an issue & they're comfortably leading the pack. You'd save more $ with electricity with lighter, but that's minuscule compared to gas $.

As for Tesla not delivering CT in time, that'd be just classic Tesla/Musk. Won't be any surprises there. Only diff is now they're not cash strapped anymore & are capable of getting things fixed faster & ramping up production.

 

[Post Ironic]

regardless of practicality i cannot get past the name and appearance.

It’s going after a minuscule niche market of people who would actually drive that atrocity around, mostly people who don’t really have any need of a truck.

If they made it at least half-decent looking (doesn’t have to be exactly like a regular pickup in appearance even), it would attract a much wider market, and a lot of young people in the trades and construction industry in cities would be interested in it, especially at reported price. The people who drive Japanese trucks like Toyota Tacoma and Tundra, Nissan Frontier and Titan, etc.

Their competitor, Bollinger, is putting out a much nicer looking electric truck (the look I would have hoped for the Tesla), with pretty amazing off-road capabilities (lower specs than the Tesla on towing/torque/hp though), but at a ridiculous starting price of $125k

And Rivian’s upcoming electric truck looks most conventional of the 3, starts at $69k apparently, but won’t be out until at least 2021. Has similar capabilities to the Tesla it sounds like.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I'll just leave this here

 

[lgorTudor]

It’s going after a minuscule niche market of people who would actually drive that atrocity around, mostly people who don’t really have any need of a truck.

If they made it at least half-decent looking (doesn’t have to be exactly like a regular pickup in appearance even), it would attract a much wider market, and a lot of young people in the trades and construction industry in cities would be interested in it, especially at reported price. The people who drive Japanese trucks like Toyota Tacoma and Tundra, Nissan Frontier and Titan, etc.

Their competitor, Bollinger, is putting out a much nicer looking electric truck (the look I would have hoped for the Tesla), with pretty amazing off-road capabilities (lower specs than the Tesla on towing/torque/hp though), but at a ridiculous starting price of $125k

And Rivian’s upcoming electric truck looks most conventional of the 3, starts at $69k apparently, but won’t be out until at least 2021. Has similar capabilities to the Tesla it sounds like.

Bollinger is amazing but so expensive.

Suzuki Jimny it is then

 

[pavelnel]

I'll just leave this here

This is just a very cheap marketing trick aimed at gullible fanboys. Anyone could build a one-off model with excessive power characteristics and compare it against an unspecified model variant of the competition. It is oranges vs apples all over again.
I thought car companies have stopped with this meaningless comparison but nothing is beneath Tesla. In the end, most of its stock price is based on constantly running hype train. This is why three (Roadster, Semi, CT) of their supposedly game-changing products are always 2-3 years away into the future. And two of them were presented 2 years ago and should have already been in production but they are still 1-2 years away. We will see in 2020 if CT production date will be moved back to 2023-2024 with even bigger promises.

 

[lgorTudor]

This is just a very cheap marketing trick aimed at gullible fanboys. Anyone could build a one-off model with excessive power characteristics and compare it against an unspecified model variant of the competition.

They did this against Porsche Taycan at the Nürnburgring Brought some juiced up Model S

 

[GordoDeCentral]

This is just a very cheap marketing trick aimed at gullible fanboys. Anyone could build a one-off model with excessive power characteristics and compare it against an unspecified model variant of the competition. It is oranges vs apples all over again.
I thought car companies have stopped with this meaningless comparison but nothing is beneath Tesla. In the end, most of its stock price is based on constantly running hype train. This is why three (Roadster, Semi, CT) of their supposedly game-changing products are always 2-3 years away into the future. And two of them were presented 2 years ago and should have already been in production but they are still 1-2 years away. We will see in 2020 if CT production date will be moved back to 2023-2024 with even bigger promises.

Have you ever driven a tesla?

 

[pavelnel]

They did this against Porsche Taycan at the Nürnburgring Brought some juiced up Model S

I know. One-off car for sure with stripped-down interior and semi-slicks. It is typical of Tesla to do such a comparison. Regular Model S Raven will have a hard time to go under 8:30 min on the Ring.
They did the same thing while unveiling CT: compared the acceleration of 911 to CT and said 911 was the current one. Not true - it was an old 911 and not a very fast version of it. Even the previous 911 has so many variants where the acceleration varies from 2.5 sec 0-60 mph (Turbo S) to more than 4 sec ( 911 Carrera 2). The forthcoming 911 Turbo S will run 0-60 mph in less than 2.5 sec. I do not like how Americans use one foot of rollout while measuring 0-60 times though. In Europe, we measure 0-100 km/h ( 0-62 mph) with no rollout. I think this is more accurate as it does not artificially increase performance numbers.

Have you ever driven a tesla?

I was in one but I did not like the interior and the build quality but I am a big fan of EVs. Taycan is love though. EVs are the future but the battery tech definitely is still not ready for big vehicles. CT specs are vaporware for now.

 

[il brutto]

It's crazy how dudes like Musk are able to build these cultlike followings. They certainly do something right in terms of marketing. He's bit of retard in my opinion though.

 

[Kopanja]

It's crazy how dudes like Musk are able to build these cultlike followings. They certainly do something right in terms of marketing. He's bit of retard in my opinion though.

Yeah, but you are posting on tuz

 

[s4tch]

It's crazy how dudes like Musk are able to build these cultlike followings. They certainly do something right in terms of marketing. He's bit of retard in my opinion though.

he's a genius and a retard at once. at least the man has vision, let's not take it away from him. but he's a jerk which is proven by the way he handled that thai diver case.

tesla is like the iphone of the car industry: the product is almost secondary, the sense of belonging is above everything else. loyal customer base is the best asset a manufacturer can have.

i like ev's btw. a friend of mine got a bmw i3s for himself for city use, and it's the best urban car i can imagine. small, relatively spacious for 2 persons, silent, fast af. besides being expensive, there's one single thing i'd change in it for urban use: legroom in the back. it's practically a 2+2 car with only kids or small people being able to fit properly in the back. for daily use and the commuting i do, i'd still stick with my car's 8-900 km range for a while.

 

[IliveForJuve]

 

[Post Ironic]

I'll just leave this here

One of the most impressive things about all the new electric trucks is the HP and torque, especially the latter. Nature of electric makes these things super powerful. As well as bed capacity, because the lack of ICE.

I like the abilities of the Tesla truck, just think the design is retarded and I think they are limiting their market severely with it.

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Bollinger is amazing but so expensive.

Suzuki Jimny it is then

Yeah. Fantastic design. The SUV version is awesome.

 

[lgorTudor]

Spoiler

 

[swag]

He's the DJT of CEOs

DJT would be offended by that.

It’s going after a minuscule niche market of people who would actually drive that atrocity around, mostly people who don’t really have any need of a truck.

I think it's clever in that it's actually daring to break out of the box of boring, incremental expectations. Still think it will become the Pontiac Aztek of our time. (Sorry, Breaking Bad fans.)

It's crazy how dudes like Musk are able to build these cultlike followings. They certainly do something right in terms of marketing. He's bit of retard in my opinion though.

True and true. There are people who want to be alpha'ed. That's why there's cult-like hero worship -- everything from people in fitness, to religion, to business. Steve Jobs fanboys? Need I say more from a guy who literally killed himself by thinking his diet of eating nothing but carrots for months was smarter than the best pancreatic oncology treatments science had to offer. The guy was worse than those anti-vaxers out there.

Spoiler

Expected, really.

 

[Seven]

Damn. A second competitor of my first firm just asked me if I want to join them.

I won't. I've already given my word. But man, after leaving my first firm the opportunities just keep coming.

I got a good severance deal, joined another firm immediately after two weeks off (paid), joined a competitor at great term, they offered me a christmas break (haven't had that in ages) and now another firm wants to pay even more?

Damn. Enough is enough, I get it. Don't be sad. Everything is okay. I get it.

 

[Cerval]

Damn. A second competitor of my first firm just asked me if I want to join them.

I won't. I've already given my word. But man, after leaving my first firm the opportunities just keep coming.

I got a good severance deal, joined another firm immediately after two weeks off (paid), joined a competitor at great term, they offered me a christmas break (haven't had that in ages) and now another firm wants to pay even more?

Damn. Enough is enough, I get it. Don't be sad. Everything is okay. I get it.

If the conditions at your new job aren't as great as they could be then you could always switch too in the future