[WC] Italy v Ukraine (12 Viewers)

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,985
#81
Like Del Piero himself said:

"Why i cant play alongside Totti?"


DP-Totti for Ukraine!!!

Totti is giçoing to start because Lippi will use him for sure since the beggning.
Both players have not palyed togetehr so far...and takig in consideration what i saw against Australia... i would start with both............after all if DP and Totti cant make it against Ukraine... then against who?

Now is the time to go out and attack.

Perrota in the other side of teh field......with a sole striker..... TOni..... and matrix and Barza in the mid defense.


Come out and play Ukraine!!
 

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Gep

The Guv'nor
Jun 12, 2005
16,493
#82
Hydde said:
Like Del Piero himself said:


Perrota in the other side of teh field......with a sole striker..... TOni..... and matrix and Barza in the mid defense.

Come out and play Ukraine!!



Matrix is suspended! And Canna is going to play where exactly? In goal. Stick Buffon as a loan striker while were at it shall we. :disagree:


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Feb 27, 2005
284
#83
Can Zambrotta play as a central defender, i would much rather have him there than a younger less experienced International player, that way Grosso, Zacardo & Barzagli can fight for the wing spots.
 

del pietro

Senior Member
Aug 13, 2005
900
#87
:lol:

it prob wouldn't be like this but this is what i'd put..


........................buffon.......................

..Grosso...Canna...Barzagli...Zambro...

.......Camo.......Pirlo.......Perrotta...

..........................Totti.........................

...........Inzaghi.................Del Piero........


Gattusso's on a yellow and we'll need him for the semi's.. del piero is not most effective on the flank and i think him, inzaghi and totti would be the magic combo... we need to attack through the flanks and camo and zambro will provide this.
 

kaizer

Senior Member
Nov 1, 2003
2,973
#88
it's Lippi's fault for bringing only 4 CBs; he knows Matrix's reputation, Nesta has been injury prone. hope that Canna & Barzagli will be fit and not get suspended if Italy marches on...
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
#89
If i have any reservation what Lippi has done so far it will be the fact that he plays 3 central midfielders in Perotta, Pirlo and Gatusso whichj i tottally support, why does he not play Oddo as a right back and Zambrotta on the left. They would definitely provide the width and put in better crosses than what i have seen so far. I have not been impressed with Grosso at all.
Ukraine play pretty deep so there is absolutely no need for Iaquinta to be played to try and get behind their defence. But personally id still stick with Toni and Dp and probbaly start with Inzaghi this time. Totti does not have 90 minutes and i still think he will be totally ineffective if he starts. He should come on and pick holes in a tiring defence towards the end and should be told leave defending to the defence and there is absolutely no need for he and Dp for that matter to try and be getting the ball from his own defenders, thats what Pirlo is there for
 

denco

Superior Being
Jul 12, 2002
4,679
#91
Ukraine striker Andriy Voronin will miss the rest of the World Cup because of a thigh injury, meaning coach Oleg Blokhin will be forced to field a new partner for Andriy Shevchenko in Friday's quarter-final against Italy.

"He has slightly torn his thigh muscle," said team spokesman Igor Miroshnychenko on Wednesday. "He will be out for two weeks."

Voronin picked up the injury during Ukraine's second round game against Switzerland on Monday.

Voronin, 26, has played up front with Shevchenko in every match in the tournament so far.

Andriy Vorobei could be a direct positional replacement. Vorobei started against Switzerland as attacking midfielder Serhiy Rebrov was dropped to the bench. Rebrov is likely to return to the starting line-up and again play behind the front two.

Defender Volodymir Yezersky is fit again after missing the last three games with a thigh injury.

"He has been back in full training. If Blokhin needs to use him, he is ready to play," said Miroshnychenko.




courtesy of eurosport
 

Desmond

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2002
8,938
#93
Playing three midfielders will only work for as long as Perrotta keeps up his good form and Pirlo keeps delivering, but more importantly discipline will prove a factor in the coming games. De Rossi's tournament is over IMO, there is little chance of him being reinstated into the starting lineup in the final (if we get there, of course).

As for the fullback dilemma, I'm sceptical about bringing Oddo in at this juncture of the tournament and Grosso hasn't been doing too badly. Zaccardo, on the other hand, should not have been considered in the first place. The best of our long passes have been coming from Pirlo and to a small extent Del Piero against the Socceroos anyway; the width provided by the fullbacks is more to stretch our opponents than to actually provide crosses to the forwards. Zambrotta for one is better at getting past his man than getting balls to Toni and Gilardino.

And Libero, who would you start in place of Del Piero and Totti? As much as they may drift in and out of games they're the only ones we've got and short of shifting Pirlo further up front either one of them is essential to providing service to the men up top.
 

Desmond

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2002
8,938
#94
I would take almost anyone considered in the past year for that 5th striker's slot ahead of Iaquinta. Cassano, Vieri, Lucarelli, anyone.

As for Del Piero, for me its more of the immense importance of the trequartista position in Lippi's current system that's a stumbling block, rather than ability. Nobody expects him to play a central role in the team, and perhaps rightly so, but operating as a fringe player is still well within his means IMO. He of all people has had his doubters before and we all know the effect criticism has on him. :smile:
 

Brixity

Senior Member
Feb 8, 2006
1,332
#95
I also agree about being sceptical about introducing Oddo at this point. I think Grosso and Zambro should only be changed if theres a suspension.
If theres one thing Ukraine can take advantage of is the general perception that they will be easier than Australia or USA. What I wonder is can Italia ensure they dont underestimate them especially given that people are screaming semi-finals already.
 

AlexTheGreat

Senior Member
May 10, 2006
999
#96
Resident Paisan: My Beating Italian Heart

The Resident Paisan recounts his emotion as Italy eeked past Australia with an injury time penalty

If I didn’t suffer a heart attack during the second half of Italy-Australia this past Monday, then I’ll probably die from something else someday. The Italians’ never-say-die attitude allowed them to overcome a scrappy Australian team and the poor officiating of Spanish referee Luis Medina Cantalejo to land in the quarterfinals.

Francesco Totti finally showed the world how cool he can be under pressure, slamming in the winning goal on a penalty kick five minutes into stoppage time to pull out the 1-0 win. I was afraid to watch the kick. My legs almost buckled from under me as I stood in front of my TV and watched with anxiety as tears filled my eyes. Totti was able to convert the kick. I rejoiced. The Italians lived to see another day.

I will admit that the victory against Australia wasn’t pretty. It doesn’t matter. This is a stage of the World Cup where the only thing that counts is getting a win. Don’t ask the Italians how they won, but rather if they won. And ask England how playing ugly is paying off at this stage of the competition.

The winning goal came after the Azzurri suffered for long stretches of the game, particularly in the second half when they were reduced to 10 players in the 51st minute following the unjust sending off of defender Marco Materazzi for bringing down Marco Bresciano. The tackle deserved a yellow at most, but referees at this World Cup have decided to dole out severe punishments for absolutely no good reason. The red card changed the course of the game and the Italians were forced to go from an offensive 4-4-2 to a defensive 4-4-1. Australia attacked in waves. Italy could only defend. I thought for sure Cantalejo’s decision would be the thing that would kill off Italy’s chances of advancing to the quarterfinals.

Not this time.

The victory was also revenge on Socceroos coach Guus Hiddink. The Italians had a score to settle against Hiddink. He was the coach of South Korea at the 2002 World Cup that eliminated the Italians from the round of 16 in overtime. In that game, Totti was red carded. This time, Totti was the hero. There’s nothing like a little revenge against such a top-notch coach.

The Italians – known for starting slow at the World Cup and picking up steam as the tournament progresses -- believed they could win and tried their best to do so. Italy coach Marcello Lippi made a series of smart substitutions in the second half, bringing on Vincenzo Iaquinta for Alberto Gilardino and Totti for Alessandro Del Piero.

Lippi has always said he favors the strength of the group ahead of individuality. Not so easy with so many prima donnas on one team. But the Azzurri have proven that teamwork is truly a philosophy the players embrace and that could be the very thing that lands them in the final.

Toni has yet to score, but Lippi was smart to start him over Filippo Inzaghi, who scored against the Czech Republic in the first round as a second half sub. Giving confidence to Toni is important at this stage of the World Cup. Unfortunately, Toni was unable to return the favor and score against Australia despite four very good attempts in the first half. That needs to change in the quarterfinals. Otherwise, Inzaghi is fit and ready to go. He is a luxury off the bench. Not too many teams can claim to have such a big star (other than Brazil or Argentina) on the bench to utilize late in a game.

Other line-up problems remain. Totti may have scored the winning goal, but he still isn’t at 100 percent. He can only play 30-40 minutes and is more useful off the bench. That way, Lippi can use a 4-4-2 formation, rather than a 4-3-1-2 with Totti as playmaker. Against the Czech Republic, a tired Totti couldn’t run up and down the field and his two weak shots on goal were further proof that he wasn’t in top form.

Del Piero makes a better starter in Totti’s position, but is too often forced by Lippi to go back and help the defense. Using up all that energy leaves Del Piero drained midway through the game. He is so tired that the Juventus midfielder disappears in the second half. That needs to change. Del Piero needs to be used as a pure playmaker. Otherwise, Lippi will have to go with Plan B and play Totti in the second half.

And yes, the defense. The Italians have by far the best defense at this tournament, giving up just one goal (an own goal against the USA). Even with Alessandro Nesta out due to injury and Materazzi missing the next game because of his red card, the Italians remain strong in the back. Fabio Cannavaro had a great game in central defense against Australia and Gianluigi Buffon proved he’s the best goalkeeper at the tournament. Teams have gotten this far at previous World Cups (Argentina in 1990!) with a lot less skill.

Next up for Italy is Ukraine. Good luck Azzurri. I’m sure you’ll make us suffer once again. Hopefully, my heart can continue to hold up. I have no plans of dying until Italy wins a fourth World Cup.

goal.com


I know this guy is an antijuve idiot, but this article is a good one
 

Vinman

2013 Prediction Cup Champ
Jul 16, 2002
11,482
#97
Kaiser Franco said:
Oddo doesn't guarantee as much covering as Zambrotta and Grosso, who I think has been most decent so far btw. An ideal alternative would have been Panucci, but we know how that went.

The 3 central mids formation was expected, but it can only be fully effective with a fit and delivering Pirlo and a Totti other than the one we've seen so far (or a Cassano? Bah, nevermind). Lippi is kind of forced to play 3 mids anyway though, given that we only have 5 of them left. I fear that we are going to start feeling the absence of De Rossi in the next games, and while Gattuso will have to watch out for yellows, so will both our full-backs, who both got booked against the Aussies (I can see Zamby earning one in the semi and once again missing an hypothetical final).

I would not start Inzaghi. He's a very useful trump card we can play in second halves/ET, but I'd rather keep Gilardino/Toni as starters.

Finally, I would not start Del Piero again and even less so together with Totti as it could result into offering two men to the opponent.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but I think Oddo would add some nice runs and crosses...something we have been missing. Its true that he could leave us exposed for the counter

I also think its time for Pippo to start...an attacking trio of Toni, Totti and Pippo would definitely work
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,750
#98
axlrose85 said:
this match will be easier than the one against the australians imo.
I doubt it. I figure it to be more of the same: a low-scoring, physical affair where both teams are going to try to minimize mistakes. Which means that the refereeing is going to be more important than in a typical match. Which in this WC translates to: coin toss.

Italy is going to need a way to manufacture a goal while holding a steady back line. If they don't get it from set pieces or a sudden Gila or Toni breakthrough in the first half, it's Mr. Pippo time in the second half for the win, folks.
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
16,640
#99
Sheva feeling no pressure Wednesday 28 June, 2006

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Ukraine striker Andriy Shevchenko says his side have nothing to lose against Italy, even if they have today been robbed of striker Andriy Voronin.

The two teams meet in Friday’s World Cup quarter-final tie, a game which former Milan man Sheva admits is an unexpected surprise.

“I didn’t think we would get this far,” said the new Chelsea man. “We have done something brilliant over these past few weeks.

“We have got this far with hard work and humility. I certainly didn’t expect to be facing Italy this summer.”

The Azzurri will undoubtedly start the match as favourites and Shevchenko has noted that status is totally understandable.

“Italy should get through against us,” he continued. “We have got nothing to lose against Italy, while the Azzurri do.”

The tie is set to be an emotional affair for the former European Footballer of the Year after he ended his seven-year Serie A spell this summer.

“No matter how the match goes, Italy will always remain in my heart,” said the £30m Stamford Bridge capture.

“The likes of Andrea Pirlo, Gennaro Gattuso, Alessandro Nesta and Pippo Inzaghi will remain my friends forever.”

Meanwhile, fellow forward Voronin has been ruled out of the Italy match and also the rest of the tournament.

The 26-year-old, who had started all four of their matches so far, picked up a thigh strain in the penalty shoot-out defeat against Switzerland this week.

"Voronin is distraught that the World Cup is over for him," said Ukraine official Igor Mirochnichenko.
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Morra10

Senior Member
Apr 30, 2006
3,576
wow....this is getting wierd. you got one guy wanting zambo to play cb, another guy saying "Totti is giçoing to start because Lippi will use him for sure since the beggning." whatever that means. and another dude wanting barzagli and matrix to start when the matrix is suspended and canna is the best defender in the whole tourny?

thats crazy i think we just got more italian supporter over night :p

this is the lineup i think we will see boys and girls..

----------------buffon--------------------
zambo----barzagli---canna---grosso-
---perrotta-----pirlo--------rino----------
---------------totti-------------------------
------------------------------del piero----
--------------toni----------------------------

i wish lippi would start cammo but i cant see it happening this late when perrotta hasnt played bad.
 

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