Why can't you just say Communism Tahir? 
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Because Anti Capitalism ≠ Communism
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You are surprised after reading his contributions to this thread?
The only thing Soviet was a threat to by then was to itself, it was imploding in every way, pulling itself apart to every direction (man our dear friend Vinman should read what the many subordinate big Generals were doing at the time, the US was the least of their priority, but getting their piece of the pie). Easy to notice if one looked beyond the obvious huffing and puffing macho PR of how formidable they were. They, like the US, loved to keep up the perception of having a grand enemy just to justify its existence. But in reality that stopped being an issue a while before the 80s, when they had already stagnated to being no threat to the US, but mainly to itself.
The only thing Soviet was a threat to by then was to itself, it was imploding in every way, pulling itself apart to every direction (man our dear friend Vinman should read what the many subordinate big Generals were doing at the time, the US was the least of their priority, but getting their piece of the pie). Easy to notice if one looked beyond the obvious huffing and puffing macho PR of how formidable they were. They, like the US, loved to keep up the perception of having a grand enemy just to justify its existence. But in reality that stopped being an issue a while before the 80s, when they had already stagnated to being no threat to the US, but mainly to itself.
In the american definition it is. Everything relating to the word socialism is the work of the devil according to american political standards. How they stigmatized a legitimate political system like socialism, or social democratism in particular, just because of the fear mongering and propoganda that started since they had their sights on Soviets after WWII (Good ol McGartyism, faschism branding every little cry for justice as communism despite it being far apart).
They never really have learned the huge difference between communism and social democratism (being like a bull that sees like whenever the word comes up, reacting like its the spawn of evil). Its like they are from the same forest, but not only branding the different trees in the forest the same kind, but every leaf and grass strain the same exact thing as everything else in the forest. Doesnt make sense, but works for them (just like it doesnt make sense saying the faintest notion of socialism is anti-democratic, but never really considering its democratic brethren and allies that is Europe, pretty has a socialdemocratic party in every country).
Pretty hilarious in its dogmatic simplicity.
They never really have learned the huge difference between communism and social democratism (being like a bull that sees like whenever the word comes up, reacting like its the spawn of evil). Its like they are from the same forest, but not only branding the different trees in the forest the same kind, but every leaf and grass strain the same exact thing as everything else in the forest. Doesnt make sense, but works for them (just like it doesnt make sense saying the faintest notion of socialism is anti-democratic, but never really considering its democratic brethren and allies that is Europe, pretty has a socialdemocratic party in every country).
Pretty hilarious in its dogmatic simplicity.
wow...2 guys who think they know everything....Osman, back to xtratime with your ass
I do happen to know about the Soviets, obviously neither one of you brain surgeons know what the hell you're talking about-
The USSR, during the early to mid 1980's had 4 times as many ground weapons (tanks, soldiers etc) then the USA and all of Europe.....Russia was the most dominant force in the world when it came to a ground war...their sure masses would have beaten anyone
As far as their Air superiority, they had MiG's and Sukhoi jets that could closely match our F-15's and 16's, and their pilots were as proficient as ours
And now to the nitty gritty....the USSR had/has enough short range nuclear missiles to wipe out all of Europe, and they still have hundreds of ICBM's (Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles) that are aimed at several US cities
Now, if we go with Seven's theory that he concocted from reading a few books, and most of their missiles are faulty, we have to keep in mind that it would only take one of those hundreds of missiles to actually work properly, and it would be a pretty bad day here in the USA
I seriously doubt thats the case....I'm sure they had some problems with missile maitenance, but it wouldnt take many to achieve their goal.
And Osman, you wealth of intelligence, remember that things started to go downhill for the Soviets when Reagan challenged them in the arms race, knowing that the USSR would eventually run out of funds, which worked perfectly
Right now, Putin has a new nuclear missile that can fly under radar at 500 feet, that can travel at Mach 2 (twice the speed of sound), which the USA doesnt have the technology (yet) to replicate
Hopefully, Russia will test fire it into Osman's house
I do happen to know about the Soviets, obviously neither one of you brain surgeons know what the hell you're talking about-
The USSR, during the early to mid 1980's had 4 times as many ground weapons (tanks, soldiers etc) then the USA and all of Europe.....Russia was the most dominant force in the world when it came to a ground war...their sure masses would have beaten anyone
As far as their Air superiority, they had MiG's and Sukhoi jets that could closely match our F-15's and 16's, and their pilots were as proficient as ours
And now to the nitty gritty....the USSR had/has enough short range nuclear missiles to wipe out all of Europe, and they still have hundreds of ICBM's (Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles) that are aimed at several US cities
Now, if we go with Seven's theory that he concocted from reading a few books, and most of their missiles are faulty, we have to keep in mind that it would only take one of those hundreds of missiles to actually work properly, and it would be a pretty bad day here in the USA
I seriously doubt thats the case....I'm sure they had some problems with missile maitenance, but it wouldnt take many to achieve their goal.
And Osman, you wealth of intelligence, remember that things started to go downhill for the Soviets when Reagan challenged them in the arms race, knowing that the USSR would eventually run out of funds, which worked perfectly
Right now, Putin has a new nuclear missile that can fly under radar at 500 feet, that can travel at Mach 2 (twice the speed of sound), which the USA doesnt have the technology (yet) to replicate
Hopefully, Russia will test fire it into Osman's house
I have lost count the amount of retarded times I have read "back to XT with your ass". I actually take it as a compliment because it signals I am doing something right. Or if not right, just annoying you 
Nah seriously, thanks for the input Vinny Btw, any opinions on those insanely brutal cops? I know some hear joke about your profession, but it might be interesting to hear the view from a cop.
Nah seriously, thanks for the input Vinny
Btw, any opinions on those insanely brutal cops? I know some hear joke about your profession, but it might be interesting to hear the view from a cop.
I have lost count the amount of retarded times I have read "back to XT with your ass". I actually take it as a compliment because it signals I am doing something right. Or if not right, just annoying you
Nah seriously, thanks for the input Vinny Btw, any opinions on those insanely brutal cops? I know some hear joke about your profession, but it might be interesting to hear the view from a cop.
Nah seriously, thanks for the input Vinny
Btw, any opinions on those insanely brutal cops? I know some hear joke about your profession, but it might be interesting to hear the view from a cop.
as far as what happened in Philly, I dont know the whole story yet...there is a rumor that one of the suspects from last weeks police killing was in that vehicle, and that he may have had an assault rifle, like the one used in the killing
I am not going to condone 15 against 3, unless there was a reasonable belief that the suspects were armed
wow...2 guys who think they know everything....Osman, back to xtratime with your ass
I do happen to know about the Soviets, obviously neither one of you brain surgeons know what the hell you're talking about-
The USSR, during the early to mid 1980's had 4 times as many ground weapons (tanks, soldiers etc) then the USA and all of Europe.....Russia was the most dominant force in the world when it came to a ground war...their sure masses would have beaten anyone
As far as their Air superiority, they had MiG's and Sukhoi jets that could closely match our F-15's and 16's, and their pilots were as proficient as ours
And now to the nitty gritty....the USSR had/has enough short range nuclear missiles to wipe out all of Europe, and they still have hundreds of ICBM's (Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles) that are aimed at several US cities
Now, if we go with Seven's theory that he concocted from reading a few books, and most of their missiles are faulty, we have to keep in mind that it would only take one of those hundreds of missiles to actually work properly, and it would be a pretty bad day here in the USA
I seriously doubt thats the case....I'm sure they had some problems with missile maitenance, but it wouldnt take many to achieve their goal.
And Osman, you wealth of intelligence, remember that things started to go downhill for the Soviets when Reagan challenged them in the arms race, knowing that the USSR would eventually run out of funds, which worked perfectly
Right now, Putin has a new nuclear missile that can fly under radar at 500 feet, that can travel at Mach 2 (twice the speed of sound), which the USA doesnt have the technology (yet) to replicate
Hopefully, Russia will test fire it into Osman's house
I do happen to know about the Soviets, obviously neither one of you brain surgeons know what the hell you're talking about-
The USSR, during the early to mid 1980's had 4 times as many ground weapons (tanks, soldiers etc) then the USA and all of Europe.....Russia was the most dominant force in the world when it came to a ground war...their sure masses would have beaten anyone
As far as their Air superiority, they had MiG's and Sukhoi jets that could closely match our F-15's and 16's, and their pilots were as proficient as ours
And now to the nitty gritty....the USSR had/has enough short range nuclear missiles to wipe out all of Europe, and they still have hundreds of ICBM's (Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles) that are aimed at several US cities
Now, if we go with Seven's theory that he concocted from reading a few books, and most of their missiles are faulty, we have to keep in mind that it would only take one of those hundreds of missiles to actually work properly, and it would be a pretty bad day here in the USA
I seriously doubt thats the case....I'm sure they had some problems with missile maitenance, but it wouldnt take many to achieve their goal.
And Osman, you wealth of intelligence, remember that things started to go downhill for the Soviets when Reagan challenged them in the arms race, knowing that the USSR would eventually run out of funds, which worked perfectly
Right now, Putin has a new nuclear missile that can fly under radar at 500 feet, that can travel at Mach 2 (twice the speed of sound), which the USA doesnt have the technology (yet) to replicate
Hopefully, Russia will test fire it into Osman's house
you didn't see all this for yourself. You got your information from American propaganda. I got mine from history books. We can argue about which source has got more authority, but I think it's pretty clear to see.
The Cold War was pretty much over in the 1980's. Reagan did absolutely nothing, but continue an American program that had been there for over twenty years. Ronald Reagan, instead of focussing on continuing the arms race as you said, got them to sign the START I treaty. Which, as you don't know, proposed a reduction in strategic forces.
But still, there is no fucking way that Ronald Reagon can be accounted for demolishing the Soviet Union. You have one twisted way of looking at facts, Vin. Your fear of the world makes it so easy for you to be influenced by propaganda.
Seven, an analogy to clarify your (and my) point. Attributing to the fall of Soviets to Reagan, is like attributing the ENTIRE building of a Hospital (or whatever big ass complex) to whatever generic celebrity that cuts the ceremonial chord with the scissors.
Reagan was just another Public Figure who only needed to there and nothing else, to be attributed to the fall of Soviets (btw, he isnt really attributed that at all from any objective history faculty). A figure head who had the timing enough to get the mother load of PR gold lay in his feet. The age old enemy would crumble either way, but it just so happenend he was the President at the time and didnt even need to push them off the cliff. The Soviets had already been falling from a cliff 20 years up til Reagan's reign.
Reagan was just another Public Figure who only needed to there and nothing else, to be attributed to the fall of Soviets (btw, he isnt really attributed that at all from any objective history faculty). A figure head who had the timing enough to get the mother load of PR gold lay in his feet. The age old enemy would crumble either way, but it just so happenend he was the President at the time and didnt even need to push them off the cliff. The Soviets had already been falling from a cliff 20 years up til Reagan's reign.
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