US Presidential Elections thread - the fate of the world to be decided (43 Viewers)

[Vinman]

Vinman,

you didn't see all this for yourself. You got your information from American propaganda. I got mine from history books. We can argue about which source has got more authority, but I think it's pretty clear to see.

The Cold War was pretty much over in the 1980's. Reagan did absolutely nothing, but continue an American program that had been there for over twenty years. Ronald Reagan, instead of focussing on continuing the arms race as you said, got them to sign the START I treaty. Which, as you don't know, proposed a reduction in strategic forces.

But still, there is no fucking way that Ronald Reagon can be accounted for demolishing the Soviet Union. You have one twisted way of looking at facts, Vin. Your fear of the world makes it so easy for you to be influenced by propaganda.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5145921/

nah...I dont know what I'm talking about :rolleyes2

facts, not propaganda....you have mistaken us for the Soviets

 

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[Eddy]

murders are murders....

speaking of which, lets all take a look at Burma, and that wonderful communist regime there

Well Vinny, I'm gona say this. Most of the communist dictators which were in rule were utter crap. It's simple, if it's what the people want and you have a good leader, then everything overall is going to be good, and if not, then its gona be shit. It's shameful that people don't learn from the past Vinny, espeically in a generation like this.

 

[Seven]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5145921/

nah...I dont know what I'm talking about :rolleyes2

facts, not propaganda....you have mistaken us for the Soviets

I'm not even going to respond to that. Hundred of history books tell the true story, but you're so conservative you won't listen. Just like you think your war on terror is actually about something. The American public is played so so so easily.

You do know that "terror" is an artificial enemy? And a good one too, because it'll always be there. Your politicians needed the Soviet Union and now they need the war on terror. Just think about it for a sec, Vin and FFS REBEL against the insane statements conservative politicians make time and time again.

 

[Enron]

Hey Burke I think Obama is going to be in Martinsburg this week so go check him out.

 

[Vinman]

I'm not even going to respond to that. Hundred of history books tell the true story, but you're so conservative you won't listen. Just like you think your war on terror is actually about something. The American public is played so so so easily.

You do know that "terror" is an artificial enemy? And a good one too, because it'll always be there. Your politicians needed the Soviet Union and now they need the war on terror. Just think about it for a sec, Vin and FFS REBEL against the insane statements conservative politicians make time and time again.

for your information, msnbc is in no way a conservative news station.....

So, only your history books tell the REAL story ?? Good God, whats this world coming to ??

 

[Seven]

for your information, msnbc is in no way a conservative news station.....

So, only your history books tell the REAL story ?? Good God, whats this world coming to ??

Yeah and they give me three lines of information in which they say Reagan "helped".

And my history books tend to be a wee bit more nuanced than your propaganda.

 

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[Vinman]

Yeah and they give me three lines of information in which they say Reagan "helped".

And my history books tend to be a wee bit more nuanced than your propaganda.

alright, damnit...there will be a new rule here on the forum-

NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO REFERENCE ANY ARTICLES ABOUT ANY SUBJECTS UNLESS THEY COME FROM A BELGIAN HISTORY BOOK......OTHERWISE THEY WILL BE REGARDED AS FALSE PROPAGANDA !!!!

 

[Bjerknes]

alright, damnit...there will be a new rule here on the forum-

NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO REFERENCE ANY ARTICLES ABOUT ANY SUBJECTS UNLESS THEY COME FROM A BELGIAN HISTORY BOOK......OTHERWISE THEY WILL BE REGARDED AS FALSE PROPAGANDA !!!!

Well Vinni, you labeled my arguments regarding crude pipelines and petroleum economics as mere "propaganda," so I'm not sure what propaganda is in the first place then, by your definition.

They, like the US, loved to keep up the perception of having a grand enemy just to justify its existence.

Wow. Now that sounds familiar.

In the american definition it is. Everything relating to the word socialism is the work of the devil according to american political standards. How they stigmatized a legitimate political system like socialism, or social democratism in particular, just because of the fear mongering and propoganda that started since they had their sights on Soviets after WWII (Good ol McGartyism, faschism branding every little cry for justice as communism despite it being far apart).

They never really have learned the huge difference between communism and social democratism (being like a bull that sees like whenever the word comes up, reacting like its the spawn of evil). Its like they are from the same forest, but not only branding the different trees in the forest the same kind, but every leaf and grass strain the same exact thing as everything else in the forest. Doesnt make sense, but works for them (just like it doesnt make sense saying the faintest notion of socialism is anti-democratic, but never really considering its democratic brethren and allies that is Europe, pretty has a socialdemocratic party in every country).


Pretty hilarious in its dogmatic simplicity.

Oh, some of us have learned. I'm one of those individuals. I'd appreciate it if people overseas would stop equating us as the same entity, as while many of us are retarded imbeciles, not every single one of us has that deficiency. I'm just throwing that out there as "you people" have a tendency to roll us up in the same blunt of nonsense.

Vinman,

you didn't see all this for yourself. You got your information from American propaganda. I got mine from history books. We can argue about which source has got more authority, but I think it's pretty clear to see.

The Cold War was pretty much over in the 1980's. Reagan did absolutely nothing, but continue an American program that had been there for over twenty years. Ronald Reagan, instead of focussing on continuing the arms race as you said, got them to sign the START I treaty. Which, as you don't know, proposed a reduction in strategic forces.

But still, there is no fucking way that Ronald Reagon can be accounted for demolishing the Soviet Union. You have one twisted way of looking at facts, Vin. Your fear of the world makes it so easy for you to be influenced by propaganda.

Indeed. Totally correct.

Reagan is a goddamn dead retard, thankfully. Like I said before, he is responsible for 9/11 if we believe what the Bush (b)administration tells us.

And all the candidates in the election comparing themselves to Reagan are imbeciles. Which includes all of them. Fuck that idiot. I can't believe many of my fellow retards think that Reagan is something so special. He was a fucking actor who gave the FBI's most wanted person millions of dollars to combat a nation/ideology that was dying. Morons.

I have one name for you guys.....


Jimmy Carter


'nuff said

Yeah, enough said.

murders are murders....

speaking of which, lets all take a look at Burma, and that wonderful communist regime there

and we all saw katrina, at least in capitalism the leader can afford the chopper to fly over the disaster

Ownage.

Not gonna lie, communism is crap too though. That's why it doesn't work.

 

[Vinman]

Well Vinni, you labeled my arguments regarding crude pipelines and petroleum economics as mere "propaganda," so I'm not sure what propaganda is in the first place then, by your definition.

wikipedia doesnt do it for me, Andrew...

Indeed. Totally correct.

Reagan is a goddamn dead retard, thankfully. Like I said before, he is responsible for 9/11 if we believe what the Bush (b)administration tells us.

And all the candidates in the election comparing themselves to Reagan are imbeciles. Which includes all of them. Fuck that idiot. I can't believe many of my fellow retards think that Reagan is something so special. He was a fucking actor who gave the FBI's most wanted person millions of dollars to combat a nation/ideology that was dying. Morons.

whatever Andy....


dont let your hate of conservatives cloud your judgement of the facts...whether you remember it or not, Reagan owned the Soviets

 

[Bjerknes]

whatever Andy....


dont let your hate of conservatives cloub your judgement...whether you remember it or not, Reagan owned the Soviets

My hate for conservatives is totally justified, and logical.

Looking back on history through a neutral standpoint, Reagan was never anything special. The arguments presented by Andries and Osman are correct IMO. They are not anti-American, but rather pro realism.

 

[Vinman]

My hate for conservatives is totally justified, and logical.

Looking back on history through a neutral standpoint, Reagan was never anything special. The arguments presented by Andries and Osman are correct IMO. They are not anti-American, but rather pro realism.

learn your history dude....

 

[Bjerknes]

learn your history dude....

Well, the fact that I can argue that Reagan was nothing special confirms the fact I do know some history. Because, if I didn't, that would mean I couldn't present an argument you could not respond to.

 

[Vinman]

Well, the fact that I can argue that Reagan was nothing special confirms the fact I do know some history. Because, if I didn't, that would mean I couldn't present an argument you could not respond to.

it means absolutely NOTHING....its your opinion, and thats it

Andy, I see your work in other threads, and I have to say your one angry young lad

pm or call

 

[Vinman]

I got a warning for writing in CAPS ??

Ze, WTF ??

 

[Zé Tahir]

I got a warning for writing in CAPS ??

Ze, get a fucking life....


fucking spineless

Wow, where's this stemming from? Maybe you're the one who's an angry person here and not Andy.

FYI it wasn't even an infraction, it was a warning so you got no points for it.

ps: Don't take your argumentative short-comings out on me. Whether you agree with Andy, Enron, Osman, and Seven or not you present no valid arguments. Each argument brought forth by them is met with the typical Vinman response:

"You don't know shit, you go to a University"
"Learn your facts"
"Learn your history"
"You're a kid"

 

[Vinman]

Wow, where's this stemming from? Maybe you're the one who's an angry person here and not Andy.

FYI it wasn't even an infraction, it was a warning so you got no points for it.

so, I dont see the point...and who exactly is it bothering if I write in caps ??

I edited my post, btw

 

[Zé Tahir]

so, I dont see the point...and who exactly is it bothering if I write in caps ??

I edited my post, btw

Point is that your caps are unnecessary and I didn't even give you an infraction ffs.

Yeah you edited, but I still saw you called me spineless and I take that as an insult especially since I haven't once attacked you. I thought we were cool, guess not.

 

[Lion]

It bothers me, Vinny. I don't appreciate being yelled at.

 

[Vinman]

It bothers me, Vinny. I don't appreciate being yelled at.

and who are you again ??