US Diplomats killed in Benghazi over amateur's film (6 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

this:



You make a good point, yet after I concede it you still feel the need to reinforce it. :xfinger:

i thought you were conceding sarcastically

 

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[Sheik Yerbouti]

why do some people in the ghetto shoot and kill others for being 'disrespected'?

Why do you have to answer a question with another question? Why can't you give a straightforward answer like Martin does here?

Because it's not just an abstract idea to them like it is to you and me. It's an identity. They perceive it as an attack on them personally.

I understand that people hold some things in high regard. But so high that murder becomes an acceptable response? MURDER?

Those aren't muslims, they are just using Religion to achieve some goals, using the ignorance, poverty to achieve personnal goals.

Your argument is fallacious.

 

[Martin]

i thought you were conceding sarcastically

it was a trap. welcome

 

[Martin]

I understand that people hold some things in high regard. But so high that murder becomes an acceptable response? MURDER?

Deneb actually made a good point with the whole honor thing. Imagine a value system in which there is such a high premium on honor that dishonor deserves death. It's not just these guys either, traditional Japanese culture has a good slice of it too.

 

[ALC]

I choose death before dishonor
I'd rather die than live down on my knees
Bury me like a soldier, with my dignity!

 

[Martin]

Bury me like a soldier, with my dignity!

Do you prefer grenade or land mine?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Deneb actually made a good point with the whole honor thing. Imagine a value system in which there is such a high premium on honor that dishonor deserves death. It's not just these guys either, traditional Japanese culture has a good slice of it too.

I wonder why Deneb wouldn't make that point in his replies to me.

 

[Cheesio]

Why do you have to answer a question with another question? Why can't you give a straightforward answer like Martin does here?



I understand that people hold some things in high regard. But so high that murder becomes an acceptable response? MURDER?



Your argument is fallacious.

Who said it was acceptable, it wasn't acceptable, even if we found those actions offensive, provocative and weak, this isn't the right response. Violence was never a response to such idiotic actions.

My arguments is fallacious, tell me why then a Christian kills dozens of people, he's labelled mentally sick, ignorant...But when its a muslim, it's terrorism, you don't want to go to the roots of the problem.

 

[Nzoric]

what was there before the creating brits and frogs got there?

Similar movements as Europe in that time, nation building. They were a few years behind and more than a few years behind in technology, but the social movements were definitely leaning towards nation building. Then the brits and frogs got there and stopped the entire process, the trails of their presence there is still felt today.

 

[ALC]

Do you prefer grenade or land mine?

That comes from a song

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I choose death before dishonor
I'd rather die than live down on my knees
Bury me like a soldier, with my dignity!

Death of oneself, or of somebody else? I'm guessing it's the former in this case.

 

[Bisco]

another idiot. and i dont know he can 'order'

puppet president and i mean it. i cant stand this guy nor his supporters who idolize him as a god and refuse to accept his mistakes. funny as usual he is slow, where was this from the start, instead it comes after yet another embassy has been attacked!! as if its normal to attack embassies now a day.

 

[Martin]

puppet president and i mean it. i cant stand this guy nor his supporters who idolize him as a god and refuse to accept his mistakes. funny as usual he is slow, where was this from the start, instead it comes after yet another embassy has been attacked!! as if its normal to attack embassies now a day.

Ever since Assange is in an embassy embassies are apparently "not necessarily sacrosanct".

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Similar movements as Europe in that time, nation building. They were a few years behind and more than a few years behind in technology, but the social movements were definitely leaning towards nation building. Then the brits and frogs got there and stopped the entire process, the trails of their presence there is still felt today.

you're basing this on the movie 'lawrence of arabia'

 

[Nzoric]

My arguments is fallacious, tell me why then a Christian kills dozens of people, he's labelled mentally sick, ignorant...But when its a muslim, it's terrorism, you don't want to go to the roots of the problem.

Cheesio I get where you're coming from but you really need to think these posts through. If the Westboro Baptist Church decided to do something ala "Red State" they would most definitely be labelled terrorists and extremists. The main difference is that the majority of crimes, crimes which can be compared to blowing away an ambassador because of a D-movie, in Western Europe and America are either caused by mental illnesses or ideological zeal. (For a case which has both these elements just look at Breivik). Fanatical religion is very marginalized in Western Europe, a bit less in the States but still nowhere near the level in the Middle East.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Who said it was acceptable, it wasn't acceptable, even if we found those actions offensive, provocative and weak, this isn't the right response. Violence was never a response to such idiotic actions.

My arguments is fallacious, tell me why then a Christian kills dozens of people, he's labelled mentally sick, ignorant...But when its a muslim, it's terrorism, you don't want to go to the roots of the problem.

Clearly the people who attacked the diplomat thought it was acceptable.

That's just the media being biased towards Christians. I don't think their portrayal is correct either. Doesn't change the fallacy in your point.

 

[Nzoric]

you're basing this on the movie 'lawrence of arabia'

I'm basing this on the two semesters I did studying the middle east . I could give you references if you're interested, but I doubt that you are

 

[Martin]

I'm basing this on the two semesters I did studying the middle east . I could give you references if you're interested, but I doubt that you are

Unless they are to his posts, those he doesn't mind.

 

[Nzoric]

Clearly the people who attacked the diplomat thought it was acceptable.

That's just the media being biased towards Christians. I don't think their portrayal is correct either. Doesn't change the fallacy in your point.

What fallacy? Cheesio and Bisco are both Muslims who feel completely detached from any justification for this incident - it's a fair point to say that the perps are either Muslims who do not get the religion or not Muslims at all. Why would the negative actions from the minority (yes, extremist muslims are a minority) be used to generalize on a religion all together?

 

[Bisco]

Ever since Assange is in an embassy embassies are apparently "not necessarily sacrosanct".

you cant say he attacked them to be honest martin. i'm a bit hazy as to how wikileaks got access to the amount of info they un-covered but i mean attacking embassies as in trespassing physically.