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lgorTudor

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The whole idea of monarchy is (should be) insulting in this day and age. Yes, even of a formal, ceremonial one.
Brits don't seem to complain. Harmless old folks pretending to be rulers is less harmful than a sultan pretending to be president ;)

The only likeable Royal ever was Diana.
She was a whore who took 7000000 dicks per hour. Prince Philip is the best royal.
 

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X Æ A-12

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Is there anyone left who still likes Prinz Harry?
Is there any straight man who cares about this shit?

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The whole idea of monarchy is (should be) insulting in this day and age. Yes, even of a formal, ceremonial one.

Brits don't seem to complain. Harmless old folks pretending to be rulers is less harmful than a sultan pretending to be president ;)


She was whore who took 7000000 dicks per hour. Prince Philip is the best royal.
Evidently not
 

X Æ A-12

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It doesn't, but was a question meant for the brits on the forum. Even I find him an annoying spoilt douche, so wonder what the english people think of him at this point.
Well my opinion on the matter is that Meghan and Kate might not be the best UK queens but that doesn't mean they couldn't queen each other.
 

maxi

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Is there anyone left who still likes Prinz Harry?
The younger generation here aka gen z adore Harry and Meghan. You know, social justice and all of that. For millennials and boomers it's either William or the Queen, but the queen has consistently won every popularity poll that they've conducted here. One thing however that will unite all living generations of Brits is their unanimous contempt for Prince Charles lol.
 

swag

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That's why I like her
Dicks Per Hour? That is an amazing metric to grade someone on.

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Well my opinion on the matter is that Meghan and Kate might not be the best UK queens but that doesn't mean they couldn't queen each other.
I thought I was watching The Crown on the BBC (British Broadcasting Corp.). Instead I was watching The Fist on the BBC (Big Black C*ck channel) featuring them two.
 

JuveJay

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I'm not a Royalist or Abolitionist, but I do think the RF should remain as it is. I think they add something to the country from an attraction and financial POV, they are a reference point for many people around the world. I've got a keen interest in history and would prefer to see such an old institution remain, provided they do not cause harm. However I generally don't care about anything to do with them, and only know what is going on through sheer media saturation.

The RF is not strictly ceremonial, they are tied to state and church and still have an important role, but many of their traditional roles are now controlled by Parliament.

In terms of Harry and Meghan, I think it's obvious that he is wrapped around her finger. It's not something unusual, many guys end up like this once they are smitten, but this idea of not wanting to be controlled by the RF, have their own privacy from the media, this is all rubbish. You can't have privacy and then go on prime time tv in America for "tell all" interviews.

Harry knew exactly what came with the role. Meghan told Oprah that she didn't know what she was getting herself into. What? I think she's an American girl who watched too much of The Princess Diaries and thought it would all be tea parties, balls and kissing babies. She thought people would fawn over her and kiss ass all day. Harry knows better. He's always been the rebel of the two, a bit of a rascal and one of the lads. As the younger prince his role is two steps behind William's. Literally, he has to walk behind him, he has to defer in every sense of the word, whilst still having this close brotherly relationship. I think Meghan realised that far too late and never liked it. Imagine being an American person of colour in the RF and being told all the things that you cannot do because the white, British future king takes precedence over you. I bet that riled her right up. But at the same time there is no way they would have been allowed to marry if Harry was the future king. It was unusual for William to be allowed to marry the middle-class Kate, seen as an example of modernisation of the RF.

I also think that if you're going to go on tv and say that a "senior Royal" was questioning what colour the baby might be then you can't be pussies and not say who it is. It's most likely Prince Philip, let's be honest. He's a 99 year old man who has said lots of funny or cringeworthy (depending on how you see it) quips over the years, and some of them would be seen as racist in this day and age. That's exactly the sort of thing he would say. But as he was possibly dying in a hospital at the time of airing even these two were not crass enough to say it. Either put up or shut up.

What they said about Archie having prince status taken away is also not correct. He never had it, the Letters Patent of George V in 1917 limits who receives this title, and William's son George is the lowest it goes, as the son of the eldest son. And the security detail is not given for him because he has no royal title. This is something I don't particularly agree with, as it's still a high-profile target, imo.

I think Meghan is incredibly naive, and I think Harry is incredibly stupid. And for all the good work he has done over the years and the respect he has built up being a helicopter pilot in the armed forces and his work with injured soldiers, mental health and all the other things his mother would be proud of, let's remember that he is also someone who has made mistakes. He might be incredibly woke now but there was once a time where he made some errors of judgement that made him look like a typical toff, he's not some kind of saint. And you have to consider what impact Diana's death had on him and how this may have affected the choices he has made.
 
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JuveJay

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R.I.P. Prince Philip.

His best quips:

‘British women can’t cook’
(at the Scottish Women's Institute in 1961)

‘What do you gargle with, pebbles?’
(speaking to singer Tom Jones after the 1969 Royal Variety Performance)

‘I declare this thing open, whatever it is.’
(on a visit to Canada in 1969)

‘Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed’
(during the 1981 recession)

'It's a vast waste of space.'
(Philip entertained guests in 2000 at the reception of a new £18m British Embassy in Berlin, which the Queen had just opened)

‘If it has got four legs and it is not a chair, if it has got two wings and it flies but is not an aeroplane, and if it swims and it is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it.’
(at a 1986 World Wildlife Fund meeting)

‘It looks like a tart’s bedroom.’
(on seeing plans for the Duke and Duchess of York’s house at Sunninghill Park in 1988)

‘Yak, yak, yak; come on get a move on.’
(shouted from the deck of Britannia in Belize in 1994 to the Queen who was chatting to her hosts on the quayside)

'We didn’t have counsellors rushing around every time somebody let off a gun, asking “Are you all right? Are you sure you don’t have a ghastly problem?” You just got on with it.’
(about the Second World War commenting on modern stress counselling for servicemen in 1995)

‘How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to get them through the test?’
(to a driving instructor in Oban, Scotland, during a 1995 walkabout)

‘If a cricketer, for instance, suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat, which he could do very easily, I mean, are you going to ban cricket bats?'
(in 1996, amid calls to ban firearms after the Dunblane shooting)

‘Bloody silly fool!’
(in 1997, referring to a Cambridge University car park attendant who did not recognise him)

‘It looks as if it was put in by an Indian.’
(pointing at an old-fashioned fusebox in a factory near Edinburgh in 1999)

‘Deaf? If you are near there, no wonder you are deaf.’
(to young deaf people standing next to the school's steel band, in Cardiff in 1999).

‘They must be out of their minds.’
(in the Solomon Islands, in 1982, when he was told that the annual population growth was 5%)

‘You are a woman, aren’t you?’
(In Kenya, in 1984, after accepting a small gift from a local woman)

‘If you stay here much longer, you’ll all be slitty-eyed.’
(to British students in China, during the 1986 state visit)

'Ghastly'
(his opinion of Beijing during the 1986 visit)

'Ghastly'
(also his opinion of Stoke-on-Trent during a visit in 1997)

‘Oh, it’s you that owns that ghastly car is it? We often see it when driving to Windsor Castle.’
(to Elton John in regards to his Watford-themed Rolls Royce in 2001)

'I would like to go to Russia very much – although the bastards murdered half my family.'
(in 1967, asked if he would like to visit the Soviet Union)

‘Your country is one of the most notorious centres of trading in endangered species in the world.’
(in Thailand, in 1991, after accepting a conservation award)

'Oh! You are the people ruining the rivers and the environment.'
(to three young employees of a Scottish fish farm at Holyrood Palace in 1999)

‘Oh no, I might catch some ghastly disease.’
(in Australia, in 1992, when asked to stroke a Koala bear)

‘You can’t have been here that long – you haven’t got a pot belly.’
(to a Briton in Budapest, Hungary, in 1993)

‘Aren’t most of you descended from pirates?’
(to a wealthy islander in the Cayman Islands in 1994)

‘You managed not to get eaten, then?’
(to a student in 1998 who had been trekking in Papua New Guinea)

'Damn fool question!'
(to BBC journalist Caroline Wyatt at a banquet at the Elysée Palace after she asked Queen Elizabeth if she was enjoying her stay in Paris in 2006)

'Willkommen, Herr Reichskanzler'
(to German Chancellor Helmut Kohl - a title last used by Adolf Hitler)

‘You’re too fat to be an astronaut.’
(to 13-year-old Andrew Adams who told Philip he wanted to go into space. Salford, 2001)

‘I wish he’d turn the microphone off.’
(muttered at the Royal Variety Performance as he watched Sir Elton John perform, 2001)

‘Do you still throw spears at each other?’
(In Australia in 2002 talking to a successful aborigine entrepreneur).

‘You look like a suicide bomber.’
(to a young female officer wearing a bullet-proof vest on Stornoway, Isle of Lewis, in 2002).

‘Do you know they’re now producing eating dogs for anorexics?’
(to a blind woman outside Exeter Cathedral, 2002)

‘Well, you didn’t design your beard too well, did you?’
(to designer Stephen Judge about his tiny goatee beard in July 2009).

‘There’s a lot of your family in tonight.’
(after looking at the name badge of businessman Atul Patel at a Palace reception for British Indians in October 2009).

‘Do you work at a strip club?’
(to 24-year-old Barnstaple Sea Cadet Elizabeth Rendle when she told him she also worked in a nightclub in March 2010)

'And what exotic part of the world do you come from?'
(asked in 1999 of Tory politician Lord Taylor of Warwick, whose parents are Jamaican. He replied: "Birmingham.")

‘Do you have a pair of knickers made out of this?’ pointing to some tartan
(to Scottish Conservative leader Annabel Goldie a papal reception in Edinburgh in September 2010)

‘How many people have you knocked over this morning on that thing?’
(meeting disabled David Miller who drives a mobility scooter at the Valentine Mansion in Redbridge in March 2012)

'Were you here in the bad old days? ... That's why you can't read and write then!'
(to parents during a visit to Fir Vale Comprehensive School in Sheffield, which had suffered poor academic reputation)

‘I would get arrested if I unzipped that dress.’
(to 25-year-old council worker Hannah Jackson, who was wearing a dress with a zip running the length of its front, on a Jubilee visit to Bromley, Kent, in May 2012)

‘The Philippines must be half empty as you’re all here running the NHS.’
(on meeting a Filipino nurse at a Luton hospital in February 2013)

‘(Children) go to school because their parents don’t want them in the house.’
(prompting giggles from Malala Yousafzai, who survived an assassination attempt by the Taliban after campaigning for the right of girls to go to school without fear – October 2013)

‘Just take the fucking picture.’
(losing patience with an RAF photographer at events to mark the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain – July 2015)

‘You look starved.’
(to a pensioner on a visit to the Charterhouse almshouse for elderly men – February 2017)

'My son...er...owns them.'
(on being asked on a Canadian tour whether he knew the Scilly Isles)

‘I’m just a bloody amoeba.’
(on the Queen’s decision that their children should be called Windsor, not Mountbatten)

‘Are you asking me if the Queen is going to die?’
(on being questioned on when the Prince of Wales would succeed to the throne)

'So who's on drugs here?... HE looks as if he's on drugs'
(to a 14-year-old member of a Bangladeshi youth club in 2002)

‘If the man had succeeded in abducting Anne, she would have given him a hell of a time while in captivity.’
(On a gunman who tried to kidnap the Princess Royal in 1974)

'I'd much rather have stayed in the Navy, frankly.'
(when asked what he felt about his life in 1992)

‘I hope he breaks his bloody neck.’
(when a photographer covering a royal visit to India fell out of a tree)

‘If it doesn’t fart or eat hay, she’s not interested.’
(on the Princess Royal)

‘When a man opens a car door for his wife, it’s either a new car or a new wife.’
(on marriage)

‘It’s a pleasant change to be in a country that isn’t ruled by its people.’
(to Alfredo Stroessner, the Paraguayan dictator)

‘Where did you get that hat?’
(supposedly to Queen at her Coronation)

'People usually say that after a fire it is water damage that is the worst. We are still drying out Windsor Castle.'
(to survivors of the Lockerbie bombings in 1993)

'In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to contribute something to solving overpopulation.'
(said at an event in 1988)

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Elvin

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I'm not a Royalist or Abolitionist, but I do think the RF should remain as it is. I think they add something to the country from an attraction and financial POV, they are a reference point for many people around the world. I've got a keen interest in history and would prefer to see such an old institution remain, provided they do not cause harm. However I generally don't care about anything to do with them, and only know what is going on through sheer media saturation.

The RF is not strictly ceremonial, they are tied to state and church and still have an important role, but many of their traditional roles are now controlled by Parliament.

In terms of Harry and Meghan, I think it's obvious that he is wrapped around her finger. It's not something unusual, many guys end up like this once they are smitten, but this idea of not wanting to be controlled by the RF, have their own privacy from the media, this is all rubbish. You can't have privacy and then go on prime time tv in America for "tell all" interviews.

Harry knew exactly what came with the role. Meghan told Oprah that she didn't know what she was getting herself into. What? I think she's an American girl who watched too much of The Princess Diaries and thought it would all be tea parties, balls and kissing babies. She thought people would fawn over her and kiss ass all day. Harry knows better. He's always been the rebel of the two, a bit of a rascal and one of the lads. As the younger prince his role is two steps behind William's. Literally, he has to walk behind him, he has to defer in every sense of the word, whilst still having this close brotherly relationship. I think Meghan realised that far too late and never liked it. Imagine being an American person of colour in the RF and being told all the things that you cannot do because the white, British future king takes precedence over you. I bet that riled her right up. But at the same time there is no way they would have been allowed to marry if Harry was the future king. It was unusual for William to be allowed to marry the middle-class Kate, seen as an example of modernisation of the RF.

I also think that if you're going to go on tv and say that a "senior Royal" was questioning what colour the baby might be then you can't be pussies and not say who it is. It's most likely Prince Philip, let's be honest. He's a 99 year old man who has said lots of funny or cringeworthy (depending on how you see it) quips over the years, and some of them would be seen as racist in this day and age. That's exactly the sort of thing he would say. But as he was possibly dying in a hospital at the time of airing even these two were not crass enough to say it. Either put up or shut up.

What they said about Archie having prince status taken away is also not correct. He never had it, the Letters Patent of George V in 1917 limits who receives this title, and William's son George is the lowest it goes, as the son of the eldest son. And the security detail is not given for him because he has no royal title. This is something I don't particularly agree with, as it's still a high-profile target, imo.

I think Meghan is incredibly naive, and I think Harry is incredibly stupid. And for all the good work he has done over the years and the respect he has built up being a helicopter pilot in the armed forces and his work with injured soldiers, mental health and all the other things his mother would be proud of, let's remember that he is also someone who has made mistakes. He might be incredibly woke now but there was once a time where he made some errors of judgement that made him look like a typical toff, he's not some kind of saint. And you have to consider what impact Diana's death had on him and how this may have affected the choices he has made.
No, no one should live off on tax payer money just for being the right sperm at the right place.

Fuck monarchy!
 

JuveJay

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No, no one should live off on tax payer money just for being the right sperm at the right place.

Fuck monarchy!
Edgy.

That's life in general. It's like people saying they are proud to be their nationality rather than being aborted or born a starving orphan, as if anyone has a say in it.

It's also extremely likely that the RF pay for themselves several times over simply by existing. Pretty much any consulting numbers you look at show them generating far more money than they cost the taxpayer, but it should also be regulated tighter. Officially the cost is something like £80m, but other figures have it as hundreds of millions, with billions being put into the economy.
 

Cerval

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Edgy.

That's life in general. It's like people saying they are proud to be their nationality rather than being aborted or born a starving orphan, as if anyone has a say in it.

It's also extremely likely that the RF pay for themselves several times over simply by existing. Pretty much any consulting numbers you look at show them generating far more money than they cost the taxpayer, but it should also be regulated tighter. Officially the cost is something like £80m, but other figures have it as hundreds of millions, with billions being put into the economy.
How do they generate money?
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Edgy.

That's life in general. It's like people saying they are proud to be their nationality rather than being aborted or born a starving orphan, as if anyone has a say in it.

It's also extremely likely that the RF pay for themselves several times over simply by existing. Pretty much any consulting numbers you look at show them generating far more money than they cost the taxpayer, but it should also be regulated tighter. Officially the cost is something like £80m, but other figures have it as hundreds of millions, with billions being put into the economy.
It still gives someone privelages just for being born to the right family. Not earned privelages mind you, but simply granted priveleges, granted for simply being the right DNA. It's a fucked up in thing to rely on in 2021.

Well, being a democratic minded person, I guess if the UK population is fine with it, who are we to say anything.

I just dont like the symbolism of royalty in this day and age.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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I'm not sure what the BLM movement hopes to gain from removing every monument or statue involving someone who once upon a time did or said something racist. Times were different. Doesn't make it acceptable to a 21st century spectator but that was the world they lived in, it wasn't 2020 it was 1720 or 1920. The thing about history is that you read it and understand it and learn from it. Creating a "blackwash" of history and pretending those things were not part of history because they hurt your feelings is not the way forward, no one learns anything from that. It's just another form of ignorance to pretend that minorities were not persecuted. Look at world or human history to see this tale repeated again and again.

Many of these in question were great Britons who doubtless saved the country from huge military defeats and probable invasion/occupation (Churchill, Nelson, Drake, for example) which would have made the country very different to the one they currently live in. They are immortalised because of those achievements and what they did for the country and the empire. I can understand why that upsets a minority of people but this is the United Kingdom, this is our history. Denying it only ensures that it happens again.

And I think that generally behind a lot of great people there is a trail of shit and people left in their wake that we may not like, but you often couldn't be a nice person and get things done then, which perhaps is still true even today.
100% agree with this. If you are to judge historical figures with today's standards, nobody would survive. Does that mean we condone some of the things these people did? absolutely not. But there's a big difference between condoning some of these actions and understanding that times and standards were different. Best example of this IMO is G.Washington and slavery. Of course he owned slaves, but that was something completely normal at the time. His stance on wanting to end the institution of slavery however was at the time revolutionary for a man of his position, wealth and status. This is someone who inherited slaves as an 11 year old, and whose friends, neighbors and acquaintances probably all owned slaves.
 

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