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SNP did the same in Scotland. It's obviously a tactic to try to win more votes as 16 and 17 year old are more likely to vote for more extreme policies than more centrist parties (in the case here independence vs not independence). The irony is that their guidance in the court system is to give more lenient sentences to under 25's because they haven't fully developed mentally.
It's an odd choice from Labour though. I don't see many 16/17 year old voting Conservative, but can't see them going for Labour either. I think less centrist parties like the Greens and Reform will benefit.
It's an odd choice from Labour though. I don't see many 16/17 year old voting Conservative, but can't see them going for Labour either. I think less centrist parties like the Greens and Reform will benefit.
Two things to bring up.
Labour have fucked up with the Online Safety Bill. Immediately unpopular and easily circumvented by anybody not an utter neanderthal. Even then it'd be easy for anycunt to install a vpn on their granny's phone. I'm left to conclude that it's performative...but it's been universally unpopular so I don't know whose favour the performance is meant to curry?
Reform have added repealing it to their list of promises in an open goal scenario, and labour's response has been to allude to Farage being pro-Jimmy Saville. Who on earth came up with this it's been a shit show from start to finish.
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Second is that this new party scored 10% of the vote on its first ever poll and gained 500'000 people's interest enough to sign up to a mailing list in its first week. Sign ups are not memberships but this party clearly has potential to galvanise mass support.
Labour and tories are dead in the water and given labour's continued descent the GE will be as late as possible which gives this new party enough time to form itself into something real and compete with Reform.
I obviously am excited and encouraged and many of you will not be on board with its direction but I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on it's beginning and how you think it will play out in the next 4 years.
Labour have fucked up with the Online Safety Bill. Immediately unpopular and easily circumvented by anybody not an utter neanderthal. Even then it'd be easy for anycunt to install a vpn on their granny's phone. I'm left to conclude that it's performative...but it's been universally unpopular so I don't know whose favour the performance is meant to curry?
Reform have added repealing it to their list of promises in an open goal scenario, and labour's response has been to allude to Farage being pro-Jimmy Saville. Who on earth came up with this it's been a shit show from start to finish.
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Second is that this new party scored 10% of the vote on its first ever poll and gained 500'000 people's interest enough to sign up to a mailing list in its first week. Sign ups are not memberships but this party clearly has potential to galvanise mass support.
Labour and tories are dead in the water and given labour's continued descent the GE will be as late as possible which gives this new party enough time to form itself into something real and compete with Reform.
I obviously am excited and encouraged and many of you will not be on board with its direction but I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on it's beginning and how you think it will play out in the next 4 years.
Have they decided on a party name yet?
Sultana and Corbyn (I'm tempted to call him Raisin) are just too hard left for my tastes. In fact I can't stand Sultana, she was one of my local MPs a few years back and seems like she enjoys the sound of her own voice too much. I think they might do OK though. No one predicted Reform to do as well. I think this 'New Party' has potential to maybe add new voters for Reform as well, but both will surely take voters from the doddering Tories and Labour.
Keir Starmer is such a useless cnut.
Sultana and Corbyn (I'm tempted to call him Raisin) are just too hard left for my tastes. In fact I can't stand Sultana, she was one of my local MPs a few years back and seems like she enjoys the sound of her own voice too much. I think they might do OK though. No one predicted Reform to do as well. I think this 'New Party' has potential to maybe add new voters for Reform as well, but both will surely take voters from the doddering Tories and Labour.
Keir Starmer is such a useless cnut.
Useless is the only word for Starmer. He's too flaccid to be dangerous and too vapid to be a dickhead.
I think Reform will definitely use the new party's popularity along some red scare lines which may win them some tory voters who want to avoid splitting the right wing vote.
I see the new party (name still TBD my members at the initial party conference in September I hear) hoovering up the politically homeless left wing who had voted green or Labour previously. Labour are dead in the water and their voter base will need to make some big decisions. That's where a lot of the battleground is now. Labour's hand will be forced and they will inevitably attack the new party from the right which will drive a lot of their base to the newbies imo.
It'll be an interesting few years I think.
I think Reform will definitely use the new party's popularity along some red scare lines which may win them some tory voters who want to avoid splitting the right wing vote.
I see the new party (name still TBD my members at the initial party conference in September I hear) hoovering up the politically homeless left wing who had voted green or Labour previously. Labour are dead in the water and their voter base will need to make some big decisions. That's where a lot of the battleground is now. Labour's hand will be forced and they will inevitably attack the new party from the right which will drive a lot of their base to the newbies imo.
It'll be an interesting few years I think.
@JuveJay @IliveForJuve snd anybody else living in England - seen many flags about recently?
This trend doesn't seem to have reached North Yorkshire. We're too busy being on fire
This trend doesn't seem to have reached North Yorkshire. We're too busy being on fire
You probably have the Yorkshire flag more up there lol.
Personally I think it's a shame that the England flag is always associated with either:
- a sporting event
- a royal celebration/the proms
- a far right group
- a protest
I can't think of another country where people are embarrassed or frightened to put up their national flag. I now live in what I guess you'd call 'Little England' and there are a few houses in the village that have either the British or English flag up on big flag poles or mounted on their houses. There is British flag bunting around the village. It seems a bit classier than what I'd see back in Coventry, say on council estates, where you'd get random England flags out of windows or on a fishing rod lol. I sometimes wonder to myself do people who aren't white British come here and think how racist it looks because it's supposed to be a racist flag? There are a few Polish and Ukrainian people around and they don't seem to have any issues with it, but it is probably 95% white. If you're living in a 90% Asian area of Coventry and you stick a big England flag up on a pole you're probably going to have a problem.
@JuveJay @IliveForJuve snd anybody else living in England - seen many flags about recently?
This trend doesn't seem to have reached North Yorkshire. We're too busy being on fire
This trend doesn't seem to have reached North Yorkshire. We're too busy being on fire
I share the sentiment that JuveJay has. I'm honestly surprised there aren't more England flags on houses and that it's now being associated with far right loonies. People shouldn't be ashamed or embarrassed by their national flag. This is England, and if some sensitive fag from a former colony feels offended, then they should gtfo.
