Thorsten Frings and Diego "linked" with Juve (3 Viewers)

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Mark

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You can't honestly believe that even with players such as Frings and other oldies that we would secure a top four spot without a doubt. It's going to take time and hard work, and I'm sure many of our players understand that.



Everybody needs time to adjust to a new league. Some do it better than others. Doesn't really matter if somebody is suited for the league or not.
I find that with proven players you have a lower risk of them "chocking" or underachieving. It's too much pressure on the young kids. They would be better on the bench and learn from these guys.

I'm not saying let's buy all 30+ players though.
 

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Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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Well, I mean, what do you want us to do? We can't sign players who don't want to join Juventus. But it's really Frings' loss if he doesn't want to join us... perhaps shows that his ambition is not as high as we thought.
No, it's our loss not his. He's at a CL club getting more money. How is it his loss? And I'm not so sure our management tried as hard as they could have. Perhaps Bremen were just more determined to have him?
 

Stu

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ßömßäяdîëя™;1338004 said:
@ Drew -

His loss?

He will be in the CL next season, he is at the club he grew up in, and he is German, do they speak German in Italy?
Correct.
 

Ahmedios

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Nov 11, 2006
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ßömßäяdîëя™;1338004 said:
@ Drew -

His loss?

He will be in the CL next season, he is at the club he grew up in, and he is German, do they speak German in Italy?
Unfortunately, our management failed to get the reasons behind him opting for Bremen instead of us. And Secco was enjoying to announce daily that Juventus were interested in Frings. Hope he enjoyed these unique announcements.
 

Dominic

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We already have more than enough experience and 30+ players in midfield with Nedved, Camoranesi, Zanetti and Salihamidzic. We could afford to bring in a younger, less experienced player.

Defence is where we need someone with experience.
 

Bjerknes

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ßömßäяdîëя™;1338004 said:
@ Drew -

His loss?

He will be in the CL next season, he is at the club he grew up in, and he is German, do they speak German in Italy?
No offense but the bundesliga isn't Serie A and Bremen isn't Juventus. My arse if Werder will get anywhere in Europe as well.
 

Mark

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3 of them play on the wings...the way we play we need experience in the mid part. 1 of the 2 should be an experienced player. The other could be younger but understand Serie A.
 

Jun-hide

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Dec 16, 2002
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Since everyone is talking about top 4 finish, lets do some draft analysis.

There is no doubt in my mind that top 3 teams; Inter, Milan and Roma will make CL next year. I have a hunch that if Roma could get somebody to anchor their midfield (thus allowing De Rossi more freedom), more fearsome attacker than Taddei, and one or two quality fullbacks, they could really give Inter and Milan a good run for their money.

That leaves one spot for Lazio, Fiorentina, Juve, and perhaps strengthened Palermo as teams with realistic chance of making CL. I think we can cross out Lazio, because I just can't see them having enough resources, even after taking next year's CL revenue into account, to improve the depth in team to compete on both fronts. Lazio team as it is have many holes, and their attack at times can be toothless unless their top-two plays their ass off. They hardly got a strength in depth to speak of. That leaves IMO, Fiorentina as the closest competitor for CL place. It seems Viola might be loosing their two best player in Dainelli and Luca Toni. I don't think the loss of Luca Toni will hurt Viola as much as peole think, since they can probably play two striker system with Mutu and Pazzini playing up-front. Montolivo could also play just behind front two to maximize his talent. And they arguably has the best Director in the business today, so any substantial money they get from Toni will be invested to provide much needed depth, and quality defenders at the back like Zapata. A team of Frey, Ujfalusi, Donadel, Zapata, Pasqual, Montolivo, Pazzini, Mutu, Gamberini should not be disrespected with a lot youth in their side, but I don't think our core of Buffon, Del Piero, Camoranesi, Chiellini, Nedved, Trezeguet (assuming he stays), Palladino are inferior to their players by any means. We are not superior, I have to say, but we have competitive squad as it is, and frankly I do not see how players like Frings could be difference between CL or not. Frings is good, but he is not that good. Beside we have firmer finances to start calcio mercato and have Trezeguet card to match their Toni sale.

What we shouldn't do is concentrate our bulk of financial resources on position that are regarded to be our weakness. Because we already have capable core to give Lazio and Viola a run for their money, but that core has a lot milage on its meters, so we should spread some our transfer kitty to buy some insurances in key positions, and identify youngsters who can feed off experience, and at the same time provide some instant help.
 

Bjerknes

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If you agree, then why are you so mad we're not getting him? Afterall with those sort of opinions, playing in Europe and for better wages, why on earth would you think we'd ever sign him?

But shame, really. I guess we'll have to find another overrated Bayern reject from somewhere else.
 

Bjerknes

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ßömßäяdîëя™;1338020 said:
Drew -

Well at least they are in the CL.....

My arse if Juve is next year....


(Check Nick's thread)
Bayern might not be in the Champions League either, so why should the players on your wish list come transfer there?
 

Stu

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We already have more than enough experience and 30+ players in midfield with Nedved, Camoranesi, Zanetti and Salihamidzic. We could afford to bring in a younger, less experienced player.

Defence is where we need someone with experience.
It's not just about the experience, it's about the guaranteed quality. Zanetti doesn't have that, Nedved's getting old and Salihamidzic and Camoranesi can't play at the same time. Oh yeah and Camo's a bit of a jackass. Frings on the other hand, that's guaranteed quality.
 

Dominic

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3 of them play on the wings...the way we play we need experience in the mid part. 1 of the 2 should be an experienced player. The other could be younger but understand Serie A.
I'd take Almiron, who's serie A experienced, and a defensive midfielder who could be younger.

Maybe we should invest time in one of Nedved or Camoranesi as a central midfielder, who have both proven to be effective in the middle. I prefer the Almiron + defensive midfielder option though.
 
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Bayern might not be in the Champions League either, so why should the players on your wish list come transfer there?
We aren't, that is why we are playing youth players for the rest of our games, if we lose the rest of them, we still will reside in 4th.

We are officially out of the CL, and not dropping below 4th place.

But at least we are in a European Competition next year.

AND I DON't WANT HALF THE PLAYERS ON THE LIST ANYWAY!
 

Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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If you agree, then why are you so mad we're not getting him? Afterall with those sort of opinions, playing in Europe and for better wages, why on earth would you think we'd ever sign him?

But shame, really. I guess we'll have to find another overrated Bayern reject from somewhere else.
Because he said he would come?
 

Albertmare

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Mar 24, 2006
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Since everyone is talking about top 4 finish, lets do some draft analysis.

There is no doubt in my mind that top 3 teams; Inter, Milan and Roma will make CL next year. I have a hunch that if Roma could get somebody to anchor their midfield (thus allowing De Rossi more freedom), more fearsome attacker than Taddei, and one or two quality fullbacks, they could really give Inter and Milan a good run for their money.

That leaves one spot for Lazio, Fiorentina, Juve, and perhaps strengthened Palermo as teams with realistic chance of making CL. I think we can cross out Lazio, because I just can't see them having enough resources, even after taking next year's CL revenue into account, to improve the depth in team to compete on both fronts. Lazio team as it is have many holes, and their attack at times can be toothless unless their top-two plays their ass off. They hardly got a strength in depth to speak of. That leaves IMO, Fiorentina as the closest competitor for CL place. It seems Viola might be loosing their two best player in Dainelli and Luca Toni. I don't think the loss of Luca Toni will hurt Viola as much as peole think, since they can probably play two striker system with Mutu and Pazzini playing up-front. Montolivo could also play just behind front two to maximize his talent. And they arguably has the best Director in the business today, so any substantial money they get from Toni will be invested to provide much needed depth, and quality defenders at the back like Zapata. A team of Frey, Ujfalusi, Donadel, Zapata, Pasqual, Montolivo, Pazzini, Mutu, Gamberini should not be disrespected with a lot youth in their side, but I don't think our core of Buffon, Del Piero, Camoranesi, Chiellini, Nedved, Trezeguet (assuming he stays), Palladino are inferior to their players by any means. We are not superior, I have to say, but we have competitive squad as it is, and frankly I do not see how players like Frings could be difference between CL or not. Frings is good, but he is not that good. Beside we have firmer finances to start calcio mercato and have Trezeguet card to match their Toni sale.

What we shouldn't do is concentrate our bulk of financial resources on position that are regarded to be our weakness. Because we already have capable core to give Lazio and Viola a run for their money, but that core has a lot milage on its meters, so we should spread some our transfer kitty to buy some insurances in key positions, and identify youngsters who can feed off experience, and at the same time provide some instant help.


your English is too good for Japanese

+rep for your analysis man :tup:
 
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