Thorsten Frings and Diego "linked" with Juve (3 Viewers)

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zizoufan

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Frings isn't that good anyway... It's wiser now to invest in the younger less proven players, as we are in no position to compete for the really really topclass players. Players with enough quality to actually beat the likes of Inter and Milan. A Frings has nothing on a Gattuso and Pirlo or Cambiasso and Vieira. It's better to mould some lesser known players into quality worldclass players than spending too much money on reasonable players, just because we don't have the patience to build a proper team for the future instead of one for immediate succes(which isn't achievable; a waste of effort and money).

Patience..
You have a point here Doumé. I'm all for a progressive world class team than an immediate one. Still, Juventus is a great club, Coboli has fixed an objective which is the qualification for the CL spot. I believe that with the actual backbone of the team ( buffon, trez,nedved,camo) we can achieve something, but will it be the CL spot. I have always my suspicions.

Patience yeah ........
 

Mark

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You have a point here Doumé. I'm all for a progressive world class team than an immediate one. Still, Juventus is a great club, Coboli has fixed an objective which is the qualification for the CL spot. I believe that with the actual backbone of the team ( buffon, trez,nedved,camo) we can achieve something, but will it be the CL spot. I have always my suspicions.

Patience yeah ........
top 4 spot is A MUST!!!!!!!!!!! for next season.
 

Stu

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Frings isn't that good anyway... It's wiser now to invest in the younger less proven players, as we are in no position to compete for the really really topclass players. Players with enough quality to actually beat the likes of Inter and Milan. A Frings has nothing on a Gattuso and Pirlo or Cambiasso and Vieira. It's better to mould some lesser known players into quality worldclass players than spending too much money on reasonable players, just because we don't have the patience to build a proper team for the future instead of one for immediate succes(which isn't achievable; a waste of effort and money).

Patience..
So Frings is a reasonable player now? He's one of the most complete central midfielders in the world. Gerrard is the only better two-way midfielder I can think of off the top of my head.
 

Ahmedios

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Exactly. It's an absolute necessity that we finish in the top four in Serie A next season and to do that we need instant quality, not developing potential stars. Look at Arsenal with their wide array of youth talent. Diaby, Walcott and Denilson have the potential to be amazing players but how are they helping Arsenal now? They're not. You can only afford to bring in those sort of players if you have guys like Frings or Vieira to depend on until those players grow.
I believe that a balanced team is formed of players of three different ages groups; one is ranging from 18 to 25, the 2nd one is ranging from 25 to 30 and the last one is from 30 to 35/above. It is preferred for a team to be at the average of 27, the optimum age of practising football in my opinion. But, in our case especially this season, we have to add more players from the last group, so that they can add more experience to the squad besides guaranteeing that they would adapt quickly.

And as you said, our primary target (And let me say it loudly, our only target) is to reach a Champions League spot with all the possible and impossible means. We can't handle three successive seasons without playing in Europe. This wouldn't just have a negative feedback effect on almost all the people related to this great club, but it will also affect the winning mentality of the players on the long run.
 

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So Frings is a reasonable player now? He's one of the most complete central midfielders in the world. Gerrard is the only better two-way midfielder I can think of off the top of my head.
Essien is better than Frings and he is good at both attacking and defending.
 

Stu

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Frings rejects Juventus transfer
Wednesday 9 May, 2007

Juventus look set to miss out on Torsten Frings after he extended his contract with current club Werder Bremen.

The German international was being heavily paired with the Bianconeri after he and the Old Lady admitted that he was a target for the 2007-08 campaign.

But Frings, who was rumoured to have recently travelled to Turin, has committed his future to the Bundesliga giants today.

“I received a great offer from Juventus, but Werder are an affair of the heart for me,” said Frings on Wednesday to the club’s website.

The 30-year-old, whose previous contract expired in 2009, is now tied to Bremen until 2011 in a deal reportedly worth £2.8m per year.

“I am pleased as we can keep counting on an extraordinary player,” said sporting director Klaus Allofs, whose side is still in the race for this year’s Bundesliga title.

The midfielder, who returned to Werder in 2005 after two seasons with Borussia Dortmund and one at Bayern Munich, was one of Germany’s key players in their third place finish at the World Cup.

Frings scored Germany’s fourth goal in their 4-2 win against Costa Rica in the opening match of the tournament, but missed the semi-final against Italy through suspension after a fight with Julio Cruz in the quarter-final with Argentina.
 

Ahmedios

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f*ck!

ah well, I hope this just means we'll get somebody better.

That little bastard used Juve's offer to get a better one from Bremen. Clever but shows Juve have puppets as management. When your not 100% sure about the player, don't talk about your interest in him to the media.
mark77 said:
atm we're f*cked! Now I'm not even sure about other deals. :cry:
That fa*ny used us to get a better contract. :wallbang:

Guys, sorry again...I miss Moggi. :irritated
 

JuveGER

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That's a hard blow. Now there aren't any quality players that we are really closely linked with. I hope Secco makes some good transfers. But right now I am quite frustrated. Maybe the scandal had more impact that we thought it had on our ability to attract players.
 

Stu

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Essien is better than Frings and he is good at both attacking and defending.
Essien is indeed a better player but I don't think he's as complete as Frings. The Ghanaian is a beast when defending but he doesn't have the technical attacking qualities (shooting, crossing) that Frings has.

I can guarantee that we won't sign a centre mid as good as Frings this summer. The people who are glad that he's not coming are either naive or just plain stupid. We can't compete with the bigger clubs for players like Diego, Ribery, Sneijder and Van der Vaart, and you can forget about Gilberto and Gerrard because they're not coming. Our best hope for a DM now is probably Sissoko and Liverpool will not be keen on letting him go.
 

Jun-hide

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The kids are a lot better than many people think. And what more, their improvement are often so drastic, people can rarely foresee their potential. I haven't seen Rio Mavuba a lot, but I liked his set of attributes, and I would hardly be surprised by end of the next year, he might end up being better player than Frings. Frings is a quality player who woud have produced consistently. But its hardly the end of world that he signed with Werder, as there are many viable alternatives left. Beside, Zanetti is already proven Serie A calibre player. We can afford to a risk or two in CM unlike our backline, which is filled with a bunch of no-hopers.

If anythingelse, it seemed to me Secco was the one who was after Frings, not Deschamp. No disrespect to Secco, but I think a man who won CL multiple times, WC, Euro Finals, and Scudetti knows a thing or two more about good players, than some random scout. I trust in DD, and if he thinks Mavuba is good enough, then why not buy him?
 

Mark

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I really hope plan B ain't Emerson. :(

Secco and company always said they wanted a tall guy that's tough kind of like Vieira.

I'd go for M. Diarra or Sissoko.
 
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