Thorsten Frings and Diego "linked" with Juve (3 Viewers)

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Jun-hide

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Dec 16, 2002
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It's not that we can't compete with Hamburg, Bremen and Marseille, we can't compete with the other teams who want VDV, Diego and Ribery. And again, it's not about money. If Diego leaves Bremen, regardless of the transfer fee, do you really think he will choose Juve? Ribery has already made it clear that he prefers England, but even if he didn't, he would still join Milan and Inter before signing for us.
I wouldn't be so pessimistic about our chances. So what if Ribery says he prefers England. At the end of day, the most transfer decisions are based on monetary basis. I am sure we got more money to invest than any other English team bar Chelski. When Ribery gets more concrete proposal from many teams, then it is worth taking notice into his comments. Right now, talk is just talk. In any case, I don't think Ribery will join Arsenal. Even if I expect him to join teams like Real with CL experience.

The point I want to make is that, the reason a lot of these players play for such teams like Hamburg, Porto and Bremen, is that these clubs did their analysis and took chance on players who were deemed not good enough right now. But youth is unpredictable for good or bad: they tend to develop beyond recognition that one year of experience could propel them to different level. We already have a lot of experience in our team. We got players that we can count on when the season starts. I don't think adding some youth to the team won't be too bad, as long as we don't have to pay lot.
 

Dominic

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It's not just about the experience, it's about the guaranteed quality. Zanetti doesn't have that,
Zanetti has played well in almost all of Serie A's top clubs, how's that not guaranteed quality?

Nedved's getting old
Yes, hence he offers your guaranteed quality and experience. Frings is also getting old.

and Salihamidzic and Camoranesi can't play at the same time.
They both add substantial experience to the team, besides they could play on opposite wings and Camoranesi has recently proven to be able to play in the middle.

Oh yeah and Camo's a bit of a jackass.
:lol: What's your point?

Frings on the other hand, that's guaranteed quality.
Because he isn't a jackass?
 

Mark

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4-1-2-1-2 is the way to go

- Camo can cover the right part and play a more central role too.
- Neddy could play behind the strikers or on the left. I prefer having him in a free role.
- We could buy a big tall defensive midfielder to play in front of the defense.
- and a player like Almiron
 

Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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Zanetti has played well in almost all of Serie A's top clubs, how's that not guaranteed quality?
Zanetti isn't good enough to start for us in Serie A IMO.

Yes, hence he offers your guaranteed quality and experience. Frings is also getting old.
Frings is a better player than Nedved these days. Nedved offers experience and a valuable fighting spirit but I'm not sure the quality will always be there next season.

They both add substantial experience to the team, besides they could play on opposite wings and Camoranesi has recently proven to be able to play in the middle.
Salihamidzic on the left? Camo in the middle is hit or miss.

:lol: What's your point?
My point is that when we're in a sticky spot Camo is not going to fight tooth and nail to help us, he's gonna get sent off or some shit.

Because he isn't a jackass?
No, because he's a better player than any of our current midfielders.
 

Stu

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4-1-2-1-2 is the way to go

- Camo can cover the right part and play a more central role too.
- Neddy could play behind the strikers or on the left. I prefer having him in a free role.
- We could buy a big tall defensive midfielder to play in front of the defense.
- and a player like Almiron
Camo-Sissoko-Almiron-Neddy would be a good midfield. Sneijder instead of Almiron would make it great.
 

Jun-hide

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Dec 16, 2002
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I understand Stuart's frustration and if we were gunning for Lo Scudetto, I can see why. The reason is same as to why there are a lot of so called rumors between Secco and DD. DD just doesnt think we can compete for the title next year, whereas Secco thinks we can if we buy some guranteed players like Frings.

Personally, I think Secco is wrong. This team lacks too much quality to be of challenge to Milan, Inter or Roma. At the same time, we are hardly lacks class compared to the likes of Fiorentina, or Lazio. This leaves us with a dilemma. Should we go for broke next year, or should we aim to stay competitive and build foundation for the future? In my opinion, Didi is making it right choice. Simply because as Don said, a lot of guranteed players are getting old. Nedved is probably retiring next year, and Del Piero is any minute away from loosing a lot of his ability, though with his class, he should be able to contribute to the team. Right now, apart from Palladino it is difficult to see who will step up and replace these aging stars. This means a lot of future financial commitment to positions where we think we are covered. If you buy players like Frings, who isn't considerable younger to say Del Piero, Camo, Trez etc, you might just find there are one hole two many with limited resources. And even worse, we might be struck with a number of high profile aging stars, because there might be no takers for their wages.
 

Azzurri7

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Mavuba wouldn't be a bad signing I'm just pissed because I really wanted Frings. He would have been a top notch addition.
Frings is a good player but I don't think it's a big loss if we didn't manage to sign him. He's not on par with Essien, Makelele, Gerard, Gattuso...So i'm sure we have other alternatives.

Frings isn't that good anyway... It's wiser now to invest in the younger less proven players, as we are in no position to compete for the really really topclass players. Players with enough quality to actually beat the likes of Inter and Milan. A Frings has nothing on a Gattuso and Pirlo or Cambiasso and Vieira. It's better to mould some lesser known players into quality worldclass players than spending too much money on reasonable players, just because we don't have the patience to build a proper team for the future instead of one for immediate succes(which isn't achievable; a waste of effort and money).

Patience..
I'm not really with investing money on younger players. A player or two maximum would be ok not more. We need CL, and youngsters wont be able to do that. There's nothing wrong in investing some money on experienced players, not necessary the likes of Gerrard or Pirlo, we all know we're not able to get these kind of players. Average players like Sissoko for example who wont cost much is more than good.
 

Stu

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I understand Stuart's frustration and if we were gunning for Lo Scudetto, I can see why. The reason is same as to why there are a lot of so called rumors between Secco and DD. DD just doesnt think we can compete for the title next year, whereas Secco thinks we can if we buy some guranteed players like Frings.

Personally, I think Secco is wrong. This team lacks too much quality to be of challenge to Milan, Inter or Roma. At the same time, we are hardly lacks class compared to the likes of Fiorentina, or Lazio. This leaves us with a dilemma. Should we go for broke next year, or should we aim to stay competitive and build foundation for the future? In my opinion, Didi is making it right choice. Simply because as Don said, a lot of guranteed players are getting old. Nedved is probably retiring next year, and Del Piero is any minute away from loosing a lot of his ability, though with his class, he should be able to contribute to the team. Right now, apart from Palladino it is difficult to see who will step up and replace these aging stars. This means a lot of future financial commitment to positions where we think we are covered. If you buy players like Frings, who isn't considerable younger to say Del Piero, Camo, Trez etc, you might just find there are one hole two many with limited resources. And even worse, we might be struck with a number of high profile aging stars, because there might be no takers for their wages.
I actually believe Deschamps is covering for himself. With players like Trezeguet, Del Piero, Nedved and Camoranesi there's no reason why we can't provide a challenge for Inter, Milan and Roma if we buy well. Deschamps is saying that we can't challenge so that if we don't he doesn't look bad and if we do he looks like a brilliant coach.
 

Azzurri7

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I actually believe Deschamps is covering for himself. With players like Trezeguet, Del Piero, Nedved and Camoranesi there's no reason why we can't provide a challenge for Inter, Milan and Roma if we buy well. Deschamps is saying that we can't challenge so that if we don't he doesn't look bad and if we do he looks like a brilliant coach.
Thats very true. most coaches do that.
 

Stu

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Frings is a good player but I don't think it's a big loss if we didn't manage to sign him. He's not on par with Essien, Makelele, Gerard, Gattuso...So i'm sure we have other alternatives.
Essien, Gerrard and Gattuso are three of the world's best midfielders so not being on par with them is hardly a bad thing. Frings is better than anyone else we can get.
 

xuxa19

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i read at calciomercato.com that the Frings renovate his contract with Werder until 2011 is this just spec or is official !!!
 

Azzurri7

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Essien, Gerrard and Gattuso are three of the world's best midfielders so not being on par with them is hardly a bad thing. Frings is better than anyone else we can get.
Not sure about that. Though I'd take him anyday anytime over Emerson.
 
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