This Team Needs Something Badly (3 Viewers)

[Togon]

++ [ originally posted by Desmond ] ++

this team would die without possession.we don't attack effectively.against a team which can keep possession better or as well as us we will surely suffer.even against a team who has less of the ball juve will have problems because others are able to create more with less while we play the ball around aimlessly and slowly.

this team wastes time passing the ball around and works it around meaninglessly.slow build-up has to be constructive and determined,capello has failed to imbue this sense of urgency in the players.don't get me wrong,urgency doesn't equate speed,but a killer attitude and a concentrated focal point in attack.

only Milan's defence will give us problems?i'm afraid you've forgotten the defensive prowess of serie a.when players like kaka,adriano and totti can get shut down by the likes of bologna and cagliari i shudder to contemplate another injury or two to this attack which is already inferior to that of milan and inter.

You are continously keep forgetting that this juve is not "ready" jet. The first half year of Capello era hasnt finished yet, the half of the team changed from last year (Zebina, Canna, Emo, Blasi, Zlatan) and some young players burst nearly to the starting eleven (Oliveira, Appiah, Kapo).

To expect a currently buliding team to play nice and effective offensive footbal is a bit naiv, for me.

You are saying how nice teams like Roma or Manu are playing. As I see it, the nicest and most combinative offence without being effective is still worth less than a not so stylish offensive play which can score goals.

Juve scored at least one goal every game it played this year, while Manu played 0:0 for example with Portsmouth, while Milan beautiful offensive play is called Seva nowadays.

Do not misunderstand me, I know what you say, I too miss the consistency of our attack, but I think you should considere that most of our players are just setling in!

btw: I think its too simplifying too separate attacking from other parts of the game, like defending, going from defence to attack after ball winning, or going back to defend after loosing it.

As I see it my team playing very-very well as a unit, sometimes better attacking (for example the first period of the Lecce game we played excellent offensive football) sometimes flawlessly defending (2nd period in Lecce) and sometimes just plays like a real italian team (four 1-0 win in the CL)

 

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[olkiller]

I think all this is a fake problem. I believe football is first of all a matter of results and trophies. It's been said a million times here "that it's better to play bad and win trophies than the inverse"....But I may add that Juventus is currently, alongside FC Barcelona, the best side in Europe by far, Del Piero and Zlatan have scored 10 goals together, and they may score much more as the season goes on, This is a very talented team, very hard to score against and even harder to prevent from scoring so please Stop whining about Zidane's departure..What have we won with Zidane's alleged genius, EH? The two scudetti we actually won weren't his own achievement AT ALL...And then, after he left, we won 2 scudetti, ended up runners-up in the CL (damned penalty shoot-outs) and are today on our way back to trophies...What do ya all want? Fire DP and co, and have Adriano, Aimar, Robben, in our team??? JUVENTUS DOES NOT BUY STARS...You should be aware of this strategy by now! Any Star-team that's gonna face us, whether it is Chelsea, Arsenal or Real will be CRUSHED. It's been a decade that Juventus have been playing that tremendous albeit defensive football...And the best is yet to come!

 

[erado]

Agreed with Desmond that the most of scoreline this season flattered our performance. Its truth we have been scoring through our possession, thats why Capello did a great job of controlling the possession which contribute to our mighty defense and allow us build on our goals slowly.

I disagreed on the part that we don't attack effectively. Our attack from the left flank has been threatening with Zambro-Nedved partnership. Then again, there isnt much support from our right side. Camo has been solid this season but most of those are defensive support. Olivera didnt have his chance yet, maybe he will provide that spark.

hmmm......., our offense and defense hasnt really been tested this season. Maybe after the Inter game, we will get a clearer picture on how our team and players are doing.

 

[Juventinoo]

++ [ originally posted by olkiller ] ++
I think all this is a fake problem. I believe football is first of all a matter of results and trophies. It's been said a million times here "that it's better to play bad and win trophies than the inverse"....But I may add that Juventus is currently, alongside FC Barcelona, the best side in Europe by far, Del Piero and Zlatan have scored 10 goals together, and they may score much more as the season goes on, This is a very talented team, very hard to score against and even harder to prevent from scoring so please Stop whining about Zidane's departure..What have we won with Zidane's alleged genius, EH? The two scudetti we actually won weren't his own achievement AT ALL...And then, after he left, we won 2 scudetti, ended up runners-up in the CL (damned penalty shoot-outs) and are today on our way back to trophies...What do ya all want? Fire DP and co, and have Adriano, Aimar, Robben, in our team??? JUVENTUS DOES NOT BUY STARS...You should be aware of this strategy by now! Any Star-team that's gonna face us, whether it is Chelsea, Arsenal or Real will be CRUSHED. It's been a decade that Juventus have been playing that tremendous albeit defensive football...And the best is yet to come!

am totally with u really with Zidan we didn't do much ur r right

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

++ [ originally posted by olkiller ] ++
I think all this is a fake problem. I believe football is first of all a matter of results and trophies. It's been said a million times here "that it's better to play bad and win trophies than the inverse"....But I may add that Juventus is currently, alongside FC Barcelona, the best side in Europe by far, Del Piero and Zlatan have scored 10 goals together, and they may score much more as the season goes on, This is a very talented team, very hard to score against and even harder to prevent from scoring so please Stop whining about Zidane's departure..What have we won with Zidane's alleged genius, EH? The two scudetti we actually won weren't his own achievement AT ALL...And then, after he left, we won 2 scudetti, ended up runners-up in the CL (damned penalty shoot-outs) and are today on our way back to trophies...What do ya all want? Fire DP and co, and have Adriano, Aimar, Robben, in our team??? JUVENTUS DOES NOT BUY STARS...You should be aware of this strategy by now! Any Star-team that's gonna face us, whether it is Chelsea, Arsenal or Real will be CRUSHED. It's been a decade that Juventus have been playing that tremendous albeit defensive football...And the best is yet to come!

well said......:thumb:

 

[olkiller]

Thx Eaglesnake_1 & Juventinoo

 

[Stu]

I'm with Des on this one. Imo it doesn't have anything to do with names, it's simply the team's attitude. They don't care how they play as long as they win which may seem all fine and dandy right now but sooner or latter our weaknesses will be exploited.

We're predictable, our passing is slow and so often square which is easy to read and allows weaker teams who would take 0-0 in a heartbeat the chance to get everyone behind the ball and watch our every move.

We've scored a fair amount of goals this season, but hardly any of them have come from fluent creative team moves. If Camoranesi, Nedved, Ibrahimovic or Del Piero don't do something special we're flat. Everyone wants to hold the ball for as long as possible and there's not enough movement.

We get forward in numbers and just retain possession until a space opens up, a defender makes a mistake, or an individual does something special. There's a lack of off the ball runs, and our build-up lacks purpose. Its usually keep the ball until something happens, hope that someone can get wide and behind the defence, or do something extraordinary.

Winning is brilliant and I'll take 1-0 over 4-4 any day of the week, but it wouldn't hurt to be able to play attractive attacking football like Inter, Barca or the Chelsea we've been seeing recently. Release the ball quickly and efficiently, darting runs here and there, movement in abundance, and creativity. Unfortunately that's not Juve's style so winning will do for now, but I'd truly like to see someone similar to a Ronaldinho or Zidane calling the shots from the middle of the pitch in the future, perhaps in the form of Rosicky, Montolivo or Meghni.

 

[Stu]

++ [ originally posted by olkiller ] ++

What do ya all want? Fire DP and co, and have Adriano, Aimar, Robben, in our team??? JUVENTUS DOES NOT BUY STARS...

IMHO it doesn't really have anything to do with the players although we could sure use a Robben, Reyes, or D'Alessandro, the main thing is the team's attitude and mentality. We have guys like Zambrotta, Emerson, Camoranesi, Olivera, Nedved, Del Piero and Ibrahimovic. If Capello wants them to attack a certain way I think they would do so successfully, but Don Fabio doesn't want that. Do you peeps reckon Zambrotta has stopped marauding down the flanks as often as he once did because that's what he wants? Do you think it's a coincidence? Personally I don't.

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++
I'm with Des on this one. Imo it doesn't have anything to do with names, it's simply the team's attitude. They don't care how they play as long as they win which may seem all fine and dandy right now but sooner or latter our weaknesses will be exploited.

We're predictable, our passing is slow and so often square which is easy to read and allows weaker teams who would take 0-0 in a heartbeat the chance to get everyone behind the ball and watch our every move.

We've scored a fair amount of goals this season, but hardly any of them have come from fluent creative team moves. If Camoranesi, Nedved, Ibrahimovic or Del Piero don't do something special we're flat. Everyone wants to hold the ball for as long as possible and there's not enough movement.

We get forward in numbers and just retain possession until a space opens up, a defender makes a mistake, or an individual does something special. There's a lack of off the ball runs, and our build-up lacks purpose. Its usually keep the ball until something happens, hope that someone can get wide and behind the defence, or do something extraordinary.

Winning is brilliant and I'll take 1-0 over 4-4 any day of the week, but it wouldn't hurt to be able to play attractive attacking football like Inter, Barca or the Chelsea we've been seeing recently. Release the ball quickly and efficiently, darting runs here and there, movement in abundance, and creativity. Unfortunately that's not Juve's style so winning will do for now, but I'd truly like to see someone similar to a Ronaldinho or Zidane calling the shots from the middle of the pitch in the future, perhaps in the form of Rosicky, Montolivo or Meghni.

What is wrong with Juve style ?

This style of playing has been sustained by Juve from a long time, and has given us not only extraordinary success, but has become an imprint that gives us a special character as team, well recognized and respected in the whole world.

Capello is mantaining a style very similar to those that Lippi and Trapatonni gave us years ago ; we represent the quintaessence of the italian style of play, much more than Inter or Milàn.
You said that you like the flair of ronaldinho or the sparks of Adriano,and i dont blame you for that. they play beautiful... but pretty football is not juve style... and never has been.

So, honestly (and respectfully) if you are a real football enjoyer, why not reconsider and change your preferences to a team that really fullfill your ideas and expectancies about it ??

 

[peckface]

I would love it if we buy Janko in January, put him down as LB, Zambro as RW and move Camo to the center.

I think it could work. Feels like it would suit everyone much better. :undecide:

Buffon
Zebina-Thuram-Canna-Janko
Zambro-Camo-Emerson-Neddy
Trez-Ibra

 

[gray]

not bad pecker, but Camo at CM? :undecide:

 

[peckface]

Ya I know, but I'm not having any success in convincing Moggi to buy Deco. :undecide:

But he's hard working and perhaps one day someone can force him to pass the round thingie every once in a while.

 

[Majed]

yeah... an important characteristic of a CM is to have to ability to keep possesion not give away the ball frequently.

Other than that, the line-up looks pretty good.

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by pecker ] ++
Ya I know, but I'm not having any success in convincing Moggi to buy Deco. :undecide:

But he's hard working and perhaps one day someone can force him to pass the round thingie every once in a while.

why not just use Blasi?

 

[peckface]

I see him more of a ballwinner than a playmaker. I would like to try camo in the center, see how this would work out. :undecide:

 

[gray]

fair enough; everyone's got their own tastes, but I personally dread the thought of replacing a solid player who wins the ball to help out the defence with a player who makes defenders' jobs harder by constantly losing the ball in dangerous positions

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

Grey for president of the Anti-camoranesi strike force !!!!!

do you accept the position, Graham?

 

[Stu]

++ [ originally posted by Eaglesnake_1 ] ++

What is wrong with Juve style ?

This style of playing has been sustained by Juve from a long time, and has given us not only extraordinary success, but has become an imprint that gives us a special character as team, well recognized and respected in the whole world.

Capello is mantaining a style very similar to those that Lippi and Trapatonni gave us years ago ; we represent the quintaessence of the italian style of play, much more than Inter or Milàn.
You said that you like the flair of ronaldinho or the sparks of Adriano,and i dont blame you for that. they play beautiful... but pretty football is not juve style... and never has been.

So, honestly (and respectfully) if you are a real football enjoyer, why not reconsider and change your preferences to a team that really fullfill your ideas and expectancies about it ??

Nothing's wrong with Juve's style, but I'd rather my team play entertaining attacking football. However, I'm not going to say that Capello should devote his job to changing our mindset to an adventurous one because we're successful just the way we are. I'm not going to support any other team because I love Juve, but I'm not going to say that I'd rather watch us than Barca or Arsenal because I would be lying.

 

[peckface]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
fair enough; everyone's got their own tastes, but I personally dread the thought of replacing a solid player who wins the ball to help out the defence with a player who makes defenders' jobs harder by constantly losing the ball in dangerous positions

Haha yeah I understood your grounds.

But Camo's always making a fool out of himself on his flank, I would like to try him in center.

Right now Juve plays really dull, might be effective, but dull. And it kinda feels like were screwed if the other team scores first with our current lineup.

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

Its true....this team needs something badly....good supporters