Thiago "The Fired Fraud" Motta (126 Viewers)

mOUTta or not?


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mjromeo81

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2022
768
Mentality. That's the biggest issue with this squad.

Injuries and tactical setups can't be used as a reason for why we are throwing games away against provincial sides. What happened against Venezia is 100% a mentality problem.

We keep playing to the level of the opposition. This has been a problem for years.

Motta needs to fix this first.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,877
Motta's Bologna were not a super attacking team, I don't know what people expected really. They scored the same amount of goals we did with Allegri at the height of his shithousery, also had millions of draws.
Personally, I expected a few more wins/points.
And, by this point in the season, better performances in general. (Better does not mean more attacking, obviously.)
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
80,925
What were your expectations?
The same as they are for any Juventus coach or team. Fight for the title, do well in Europe and try to play with grinta and passion. I don’t care if it’s Allegri, Sarri, Motta or fucking Graham Arnold coaching. At Juventus that is the standard, that’s our history and that’s our culture. But for wayyyyy too long now, certain people in charge have tried to change the way we do things and now look at our results.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,877
Same.

Now tell me, would you keep him around next season if we finish in 5th or 6th place and miss out on the Champions League? I personally wouldn’t.
Of course not.

I'm okay with giving him some time, because it's his first "big" job and he has to deal with a small & extremely unbalanced squad, but as soon as CL qualification becomes virtually impossible, he has to go. Even if it means firing him in, for example, March.
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
80,925
Of course not.

I'm okay with giving him some time, because it's his first "big" job and he has to deal with a small & extremely unbalanced squad, but as soon as CL qualification becomes virtually impossible, he has to go. Even if it means firing him in, for example, March.
Exactly my thoughts. He doesn’t have the best squad, he has had bad luck with injuries… but I think he’s brought on a lot our problems with his decisions on game day as well

Surely the club would think the same as well in terms of missing out on the top 4(5?)Not having CL money for the 2nd time in 3 seasons would be catastrophic for us.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,877
Surely the club would think the same as well in terms of missing out on the top 4(5?)Not having CL money for the 2nd time in 3 seasons would be catastrophic for us.
Of course. No sane person is actually going to believe Motta would still be here next season if we miss out on the CL.
A coach who's been successful (with us) in the past might get a pass when failing to qualify. But a newbie like Motta? Not a chance.

Then again, maybe I'm just thinking about how the old Juve used to operate.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
16,927
Stats says we are playing almost the same type of football that Bologna played during his stint - just a bit better in possesion, while creating a lil bit less chances.
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So he's done his job, other than results. I think it sounds like our expectations were high. I'm the first to put my hand up to say mine were and assume his football will take us to new heights. Of course there's time to oil that football and make it look a little more pretty but the attacking stats is alarming, especially when you compare the quality of players bologna had to ours. We invested heavily in attacking players, I'd expect us to up it. Anyway hopefully with time we might even start to see something a tad pretty.

This is our 3rd time we are going for a manager that has a non defensive style of football. Pirlo, Sarri and now Motta. Motta and Sarris is more possession based, but it shows it takes more than a coach to change a clubs defensive philosophy. Right now though, we are barely winning, and at the end, that's the only thing that matters.
 

Amer

Senior Member
Feb 13, 2005
11,275
Of course. No sane person is actually going to believe Motta would still be here next season if we miss out on the CL.
A coach who's been successful (with us) in the past might get a pass when failing to qualify. But a newbie like Motta? Not a chance.

Then again, maybe I'm just thinking about how the old Juve used to operate.
Oh, you would be surprised these days my friend.
 

Gian

COME HOME MOGGI
Apr 12, 2009
17,781
Mentality. That's the biggest issue with this squad.

Injuries and tactical setups can't be used as a reason for why we are throwing games away against provincial sides. What happened against Venezia is 100% a mentality problem.

We keep playing to the level of the opposition. This has been a problem for years.

Motta needs to fix this first.
Care to elaborate? What's wrong with our mentality? I do consider most players we have to be true professionals and not came back from a pub night. They also do try to win, it's not like their intentions are very wrong. The effort is there, bar some fuck ups like Cambiaso did against Lecce.
 

Amer

Senior Member
Feb 13, 2005
11,275
Care to elaborate? What's wrong with our mentality? I do consider most players we have to be true professionals and not came back from a pub night. They also do try to win, it's not like their intentions are very wrong. The effort is there, bar some fuck ups like Cambiaso did against Lecce.
Did you see Douglas Luiz run?

I didn't.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
74,893
Personally, I expected a few more wins/points.
And, by this point in the season, better performances in general. (Better does not mean more attacking, obviously.)
Yeah you expect better results with better players, that's standard. I think there are various reasons for the results and partly due to how he had set up, but not sure anyone should have expected a massive change in playing style. Just having a coach who wasn't jaded or on a mission to fight the world was potentially nice.
 

Akshen

Senior Member
Aug 27, 2010
10,608
So he's done his job, other than results. I think it sounds like our expectations were high. I'm the first to put my hand up to say mine were and assume his football will take us to new heights. Of course there's time to oil that football and make it look a little more pretty but the attacking stats is alarming, especially when you compare the quality of players bologna had to ours. We invested heavily in attacking players, I'd expect us to up it. Anyway hopefully with time we might even start to see something a tad pretty.

This is our 3rd time we are going for a manager that has a non defensive style of football. Pirlo, Sarri and now Motta. Motta and Sarris is more possession based, but it shows it takes more than a coach to change a clubs defensive philosophy. Right now though, we are barely winning, and at the end, that's the only thing that matters.
Also there is a clear pattern that Motta always starts slowly with his teams, he always needed time to implement his ideas. Hopefully we will see that improvement soon.
 

mjromeo81

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2022
768
Care to elaborate? What's wrong with our mentality? I do consider most players we have to be true professionals and not came back from a pub night. They also do try to win, it's not like their intentions are very wrong. The effort is there, bar some fuck ups like Cambiaso did against Lecce.
I didn't see any real effort to kill the game against Venezia when we were leading 1-0. Do you think the players put in an acceptable performance? We needed a last minute pen to get a draw against 20th position Venezia at home.

We shouldn't be waiting until the last 15 minutes of a match to try and attack.

The same focus needs to be there regardless of whether the opposition is Inter/Manchester City/Napoli or Venezia/Lecce/Cagliari.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
16,927
How did bologna last season fare against the minnows and bottom half teams, compared to the top half? Would be interesting to see if there's a similar pattern here and how bologna got most their points from top half teams but struggled against the lower ones.
 

Akshen

Senior Member
Aug 27, 2010
10,608
How did bologna last season fare against the minnows and bottom half teams, compared to the top half? Would be interesting to see if there's a similar pattern here and how bologna got most their points from top half teams but struggled against the lower ones.
Milan 1D 1L
Juve 2D
Napoli 1W 1D
Inter 1D 1L
Atalanta 2W
Roma 2W
Lazio 2W
Viola 1W 1L

so against top 8 (and Naples):
16 games 8W 5D 3L
pretty good outcome especially if its Bologna

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