Thiago "The Fired Fraud" Motta (188 Viewers)

[MrMonkey]

So this is where it stands for me with regards to Motta staying or going in the very near future? 1) how much money it costs to send Motta on his way vs 2) how much money lost from no CL qualification with scenario of no advancement past 36 team group phase? Of course the replacement should be short term just to get us a top 4 spot.
Appreciate anyone who can get give me the financial numbers!

Presently yes 6th place not a terrible spot but how can anyone have any confidence in Motta after that debacle of a draw at home no less against VEN. Motta dealt with plenty of injuries and would like to give him more time but the above MONEY scenario I would like to know more about. Only 3 matches till halfway point and want 9 points, 7 at worst.

Don''t know financial aspects of early Coppa and SuperC exits but if less lost from those than no CL 25-26 qualification than IMO screw those two less valued trophies.

Also if you look back in future manager thread, there were 55 Y for Motta and only 9 N. Like I stated in that thread had no problem with Motta over the 10M+ guys but Palladino was first choice only because of less financial risk.

 

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[Alex-444]

 

[Stevie]

I've defended him all season but I can't anymore. I've wanted to be patient with him but dropping so many points against low level clubs is unacceptable no matter what the circumstances are.

We will need to see big improvements before the end of the season and at least a top 4 finish with a good run in the CL or else he should be sacked in the summer.

 

[Scottish]

I've defended him all season but I can't anymore. I've wanted to be patient with him but dropping so many points against low level clubs is unacceptable no matter what the circumstances are.

We will need to see big improvements before the end of the season and at least a top 4 finish with a good run in the CL or else he should be sacked in the summer.

TEN draws in 16 games.

uNbEaTeN iN sErIe A

He's not cutting it. I don't want another scenario where we kept Allegri well past his best before date. Till the end of the season with Motta maybe but yes if we're still looking like this then it's the sack.

 

[Stevie]

TEN draws in 16 games.

uNbEaTeN iN sErIe A

He's not cutting it. I don't want another scenario where we kept Allegri well past his best before date. Till the end of the season with Motta maybe but yes if we're still looking like this then it's the sack.

Yea I don't want to play the long game either. Unfortunately for managers like Motta and Pirlo they don't have time to cut their with. Juve demands immediate success.

 

[Lion]

Every new week, he changes nothing about the approach of the team. Just try something different like Yildiz as 10 or a change in the scheme.

. I’d tolerate the results if new things were being tried after seeing the old system isn’t working. But no it’s the same system every match.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

 

[Rockets]

Plus I don't think we even have a system.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Sideways and backwards passing, sterile possession and pass the ball to Chico and hope for the best.

This is pure terror. Not as as bad as Al-legri but not far off either.

 

[Robee]

" A L R E A D Y "

 

[Scottish]

Guardiola delivered a brutal self-analysis as he told Match of the Day: "I am not good enough. I am the boss. I am the manager. I have to find solutions and so far I haven't. That's the reality.

"Not much else to say. No defence. Manchester United were incredibly persistent. We have not lost eight games in two seasons. We can't defend that."

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Motta coming out and saying all these draws and recent performances are not good enough when? Him taking responsibility would absolutely earn him respect and even time to fix things.

 

[juve123]

Guardiola delivered a brutal self-analysis as he told Match of the Day: "I am not good enough. I am the boss. I am the manager. I have to find solutions and so far I haven't. That's the reality.

"Not much else to say. No defence. Manchester United were incredibly persistent. We have not lost eight games in two seasons. We can't defend that."

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Motta coming out and saying all these draws and recent performances are not good enough when? Him taking responsibility would absolutely earn him respect and even time to fix things.

Motta did say there can be no excuses for the recent results.

 

[rainhard]

We can't play what Motta want half asses, some players still think about conserve energy. They need to leave, because the pressing cant be done if the team dont work as a unit and put their ass off and really try to recover the ball

Some players who still passing around, slow easy pass as long as the ball go to teammates without purpose just to play safe, they need to leave. These kind of play slow the build up, make the opponent have the time to regroup. I saw against Aston Villa when Danilo instruct Savona to pass to the keeper but he instead pass to the player upfront and the pass reach the teammate and we have a chance to build from there. This is sums up what is wrong with this club, you cant mix water and oil

Too bad some of more of these players are the leaders in the dressing room, we need winter and another summer mercato to free from all of these kind of players. All of these players mostly are the player who already touched by Allegri teaching

Basically every players that alerady touched by Allegri need to leave, in defence arguably Kalulu have the most stable performance week in week out
In midfield, eventough stat wise Locatelli has great stats but it is more of stat padding with little result, Thuram is the one who has the most progress in term of improvement. In attack we can see Yildiz and Conceicao when they have the ball something bound to happened

Mostly those players not being touched too much in the head by Allegri teaching of football

If I am Motta, I will drop Locatelli and play Koop with Thuram in pivot, Yildiz in free roam behind striker and connect midfield and attack, but he need to improve his decision making, especially his pass on final third. I only need someone in the same calibre of Kalulu in defense to partner him. Put Nico Gonzalez on the left wing and Conceicao on the right wing

For me Vlahovic is not a striker that suit this kind of play, we need striker who great with the ball, someone who can dribble past his opponent, has vision to pass his teammates. What remind me of this striker is someone in the mould of Ibrahimovic, this kind of striker will have 40 goals contribution a season in goals and assists with this system,we will link up play better and rarely waste of chances. Is there any #9 right now who have the technical and those kind of play ?

 

[s4tch]

yeah we have a bunch of injured players, but this doesn't explain why this team is way too cautious. these are worse stats (half of tuz will lose their shit, facts aren't welcome here) than allegri's peak terrorball stats:

edit: removed the tweet, it needs context, i can't verify all the data

 

[juve123]

We need to compare the stats with Bologna last year under Motta, if the players is the one who cant do the pass, it is not possible for the coach to come in to make the pass himself

I can see this slow and no progressive pass stats more like Allegri is still in the club, or maybe some of the players already ingrained his teaching in their mind so probably this is what Sarri mean that this team is untrainable

So Motta bologna played differently to this Juve side?

 

[rainhard]

So Motta bologna played differently to this Juve side?

I think so, we have Conceicao and they have fucking Orsolini, and their pass is far more faster than what we did from what I remember when I watch them last season. With both centre back regularly going up with the ball to give option for midfielders to get into the spaces

 

[juve123]

I think so, we have Conceicao and they have fucking Orsolini, and their pass is far more faster than what we did from what I remember when I watch them last season. With both centre back rgularly going up with the ball to give option for midfielders to get into the spaces

Calafiori and Zirkzee use to do this.Where is the 2-7-2 formation and interchangeable positioning in defence and midfield?

 

[rainhard]

Calafiori and Zirkzee use to do this.Where is the 2-7-2 formation and interchangeable positioning in defence and midfield?

We dont have the centre back who enjoy to run with the ball often, so mostly Cambiasso play this role as he will roam to the midfield and doing some runs to attract some pressure and beat some player(s), then release the other players in the process. Mostly our midfield is more of the passer type, they rarely run with the ball (except for Thuram, I can see he run and get pass one or two def and thats it,but he can improve on that and release the ball faster and think the play in before with his scanning, most of our play go through both wing as they both who adept to run with the ball more, we dont event have a striker who can run with the ball and past 2-3 defenders. He can past possibly one defender if he lucky, because that is not the type of his play. He is more of a predator type who want to be serve the ball on his feet in the penalty area

 

[Gian]

- Vlahovic isn't a false 9, he's a classic fox in the box, just very useless in this system imo.
- Yildiz isn't a LW, unfortunately doesn't have the pace to be a winger
- Chico is good at dribbling, not so much else
- Nico G is injury prone
- We spend a huge amount of transfer budget on Koop and Douglas and they have had zero positive impact after a couple of months
- Our best defender Bremer is out injured with an ACL injury
- Danilo is regressing hard and we currently use an academy player as our starting RB.

Motta should be less static imo. This side won't play his favorite 272, the quality simply isn't there at this point. He needs to change things up very fast. Work with you have instead of trying the same shit all over again.

 

[juve123]

- Vlahovic isn't a false 9, he's a classic fox in the box, just very useless in this system imo.
- Yildiz isn't a LW, unfortunately doesn't have the pace to be a winger
- Chico is good at dribbling, not so much else
- Nico G is injury prone
- We spend a huge amount of transfer budget on Koop and Douglas and they have had zero positive impact after a couple of months
- Our best defender Bremer is out injured with an ACL injury
- Danilo is regressing hard and we currently use an academy player as our starting RB.

Motta should be less static imo. This side won't play his favorite 272, the quality simply isn't there at this point. He needs to change things up very fast. Work with you have instead of trying the same shit all over again.

So this means our entire transfer budget is wasted or is the coaches job to get the best out of his players?

 

[Stevie]

Fox in the box? Yeah right, Inzaghi was a fox in the box.

Susan is more like a headless donkey.