Thiago "The Fired Fraud" Motta (118 Viewers)

[Gian]

So this means our entire transfer budget is wasted or is the coaches job to get the best out of his players?

I'd say this is more on Motta than Giuntoli though. Motta is the one who keeps trying the same s over and over again.

To me, it all went downhill once we replaced Yildiz with Koop and forced him to the left wing. Later it became worse when Bremer had an ACL and Vlahovic became more of a problem.

I personally think we need to go back to a solid 4-3-something-ish formation, play a low block at times. Just give Yildiz, Chico and Dusan the freedom and use McK and Thuram as runners and Savona/Cambiaso as fullbacks

 

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[Alex-444]

Juventus have total confidence in Thiago Motta. The coach will stay even if the Bianconeri doesn’t qualify for the Champions League next season

 

[DAiDEViL]

" A L R E A D Y "

He's a quick learner @juve123

 

[CrimsonianKing]

Juventus have total confidence in Thiago Motta. The coach will stay even if the Bianconeri doesn’t qualify for the Champions League next season

What's the source? Although I do believe this is probably true. I don't see how changing coaches every season will help.

However this mofo has to adapt quickly. Make some damn changes. Start Yildiz to the center, The Count to the left, play Koop deeper or somebody else.

 

[Alex-444]

What's the source? Although I do believe this is probably true. I don't see how changing coaches every season will help.

However this mofo has to adapt quickly. Make some damn changes. Start Yildiz to the center, The Count to the left, play Koop deeper or somebody else.

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[Xperd]

So Motta bologna played differently to this Juve side?

Its the culture of JJ. It makes coaches deviate from their philosophy.

If Pep came here, he'd probably make the team play like Allegro's JJ.

 

[Akshen]

Stats says we are playing almost the same type of football that Bologna played during his stint - just a bit better in possesion, while creating a lil bit less chances.

 

[JuveJay]

Its the culture of JJ. It makes coaches deviate from their philosophy.

If Pep came here, he'd probably make the team play like Allegro's JJ.

Motta's Bologna were not a super attacking team, I don't know what people expected really. They scored the same amount of goals we did with Allegri at the height of his shithousery, also had millions of draws.

 

[juve123]

Motta's Bologna were not a super attacking team, I don't know what people expected really. They scored the same amount of goals we did with Allegri at the height of his shithousery, also had millions of draws.

Do we have specific players like Calafiori Ferguson or Zirkzee for his system or is his system not currently suitable for our squad?

 

[Mokku]

A coach should only be restricted by his players' abilities meaning that given the talent, they should excel. Ancelotti is like that, he isn't a guy that builds teams, but he gets his players to execute his plan and it let's him win on the big stage. The other side is Conte who squeezes his team and makes them fit his methods with often excellent results. Both have downsides and can get exposed in the higher level games, but both can have big rewards.

I can't tell if Motta is either type. He isn't getting the best out of the squad, nor is he developing anyone. I appreciate that he can't use his Bologna tactics with us since we don't have those specific players, but I'm seeing no evolution of the team. A strong manager with personality and intelligence would love such an opportunity given our resources. The squad isn't great, but it's certainly not shit given some* of our performances.

Both Palladino and Maresca last season fit into the same bracket as Motta, but somehow we picked the seemingly weakest one of the three. Do our management not properly watch how the manager works or only go by the one that finished highest?

I hope Motta can turn it around, but I've seen nothing special so far. Hopefully with some backup players coming in January, we can see some improvements and perhaps Motta's tactics can be on show. We definitely have that grinta, I just want to see if he can restore Vlahovic, Diaz, Nico, and Koopmeiners to their previous levels.

 

[mondo1]

Motta's Bologna were not a super attacking team, I don't know what people expected really. They scored the same amount of goals we did with Allegri at the height of his shithousery, also had millions of draws.

So Bologna is only 3 points behind us with a game in hand and nearly beat us at home and lost most of their „star“ players - Italiano > motta

If you decide to sign coaches / players based on one good season, you’ll end up like juve


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[Akshen]

Well we were doing quite good before our team turned into hospital.... no backup option for such a crucial role like striker didn't help also. If I would to blame anyone for current situation it's Giuntoli for not signing backup striker and trusting in injury prone players. It did work out with Kalulu it didn't with Nico.

 

[Lion]

Motta's Bologna were not a super attacking team, I don't know what people expected really. They scored the same amount of goals we did with Allegri at the height of his shithousery, also had millions of draws.

Maybe my expectations are too high , but a a good coach adapts to the players strengths he has at his disposal, not to the system.

Like if we look at conte for example
he joined juve he had a 4 2 4 system. Came to juve saw he had some good cbs and mids and decided to change it up. To 3 5 2.


Motta insists on playing this system he thinks cambiaso and savona are Dani alves and Marcelo I don’t know why.

 

[juve123]

Maybe my expectations are too high , but a a good coach adapts to the players strengths he has at his disposal, not to the system.

Like if we look at conte for example
he joined juve he had a 4 2 4 system. Came to juve saw he had some good cbs and mids and decided to change it up. To 3 5 2.


Motta insists on playing this system he thinks cambiaso and savona are Dani alves and Marcelo I don’t know why.

What were your expectations?

 

[Lion]

Well we were doing quite good before injuries.

Is it that really true though? The months of September and October Juve played 11 matches. Out of those 7 matches are draws and a loss. Only 4 wins. And players were available then.

 

[Adrian]

What were your expectations?

No matter what anyones expectations were, including the clubs, no one could of predicted an onslaught of key injuries so early on. If they did i highly doubt anyone would be overly critical on motta.

Im not saying he doesnt need to improve...the time for tactical changes and hard decisions to make has come. Besides bremer and cabal...he very much has everyone available so let's see what he does now.

Copy and pasting game after game will no longer be acceptable..surely he has been given the word on this already.

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Is it that really true though? The months of September and October Juve played 11 matches. Out of those 7 matches are draws and a loss. Only 4 wins. And players were available then.

...then you could throw in the comments like... new manager, different system, many new names...only 11 games...

So many variables early on which presents a huge grey area so far.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

So he gets into the CL with Bologna on a hotdogs and handshake budget but we will still keep him at JUVE if he fails to make the CL with us. Either bullshit reporting or this club is totally fucked. Probably both.

 

[JCK]

So now we talk about missing out on the CL as a reality? And it has no consequences?

The rot is deep.

 

[Lion]

So now we talk about missing out on the CL as a reality? And it has no consequences?

The rot is deep.

some are even justifying it saying he deserves another season even if he misses out. they see the horrible disgusting football and say yeah we want more of that.

insane how a club can go from winning 9 titles in a row and 4 seasons later this is accepted as no big deal.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

some are even justifying it saying he deserves another season even if he misses out. they see the horrible disgusting football and say yeah we want more of that.

insane how a club can go from winning 9 titles in a row and 4 seasons later this is accepted as no big deal.

When the club has been preaching the mantra of “year zero, transition, top 4 our main objective” this is the mentality that seeps through. Failure is accepted, mediocrity is validated, and then standards fall accordingly.

I look at the standards that the big teams in other euro leagues go by. Would Bayern, Barca, Madrid etc keep a new coach for the next season if he finished 6th in the league?