The Wish List and General Discussion Thread (37 Viewers)

[Stephan]

No he can't.

He was terrible while playing AML and not to mention how he did in defense.

experience

yes, also lets start Nedved till 2020, he has lot of experience.

 

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[Bjerknes]

experience

Don't make me angry here. We don't want that.

 

[Fred]

I think Silva is much better behind the strikers than on the wing.

Yes he is, thats where he plays for Valencia like you said earlier. Spain play him on the left, but i feel he's never been as comfortable there as he is playing in the "hole".

 

[Bjerknes]

Yes he is, thats where he plays for Valencia like you said earlier. Spain play him on the left, but i feel he's never been as comfortable there as he is playing in the "hole".

Exactly.

So what we're doing here is buying a player just so we can squander him with a dumb system.

Stupid rational.

 

[Red]

It's not a problem if he is given the freedom to drift inside.

 

[Stephan]

Exactly.

So what we're doing here is buying a player just so we can squander him with a dumb system.

Stupid rational.

i tell you, lets just extend Nedved contract.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

So basically, he plays the same positions as Giovinco (who is victim of our tactics)? And he costs 30M Euro?

 

[Bjerknes]

It's not a problem if he is given the freedom to drift inside.

People defend the system because it supposedly adds solidity defensively. If the wingers are allowed to roam freely, then the system becomes susceptible defensively. The whole argument is based on the variable that the wingers provide support for the defense, but that won't happen if Silva is allowed to roam.

So what's the point in using this stupid system again?

 

[Bjerknes]

So basically, he plays the same positions as Giovinco (who is victim of our tactics)? And he costs 30M Euro?

Giovinco plays behind the striker as his favored position, but basically you're right.

God, this system is so stupid. We don't have fast paced wingers to make it truly effective.

 

[Fred]

So basically, he plays the same positions as Giovinco (who is victim of our tactics)? And he costs 30M Euro?

And he's a much better player?

 

[Fred]

People defend the system because it supposedly adds solidity defensively. If the wingers are allowed to roam freely, then the system becomes susceptible defensively. The whole argument is based on the variable that the wingers provide support for the defense, but that won't happen if Silva is allowed to roam.

So what's the point in using this stupid system again?

I'm assuming you want it to be changed to a 4-3-1-2?

If so, where would the width come from?

 

[Bjerknes]

I'm assuming you want it to be changed to a 4-3-1-2?

If so, where would the width come from?

Our width doesn't add anything anyway.

But we would need a replacement for Molinaro and either Zebina coming back or a replacement for Grygera, something we need anyway.

 

[Fred]

Our width doesn't add anything anyway.

But we would need a replacement for Molinaro and either Zebina coming back or a replacement for Grygera, something we need anyway.

In the case of you guys getting two new fullbacks, then the 4-3-1-2 would suit your team indeed. Especially because you guys have a lot of central midfielders.

But if not, then i do believe players like Molinaro and Grygera would be way too exposed, and the team would be too predictable, as most play would go through the center due to the fullbacks not offering any attacking threat or width whatsoever.

As long as Molinaro and Grygera are starting for this team, i do not believe the 4-3-1-2 system would be applicable.

 

[The Curr]

Our width doesn't add anything anyway.

but if we were to play 4-3-1-2 we would be in danger of getting very congested in the middle of the pitch unless we had 2 top quality attacking fullbacks.

 

[Bjerknes]

In the case of you guys getting two new fullbacks, then the 4-3-1-2 would suit your team indeed. Especially because you guys have a lot of central midfielders.

But if not, then i do believe players like Molinaro and Grygera would be way too exposed, and the team would be too predictable, as most play would go through the center due to the fullbacks not offering any attacking threat or width whatsoever.

As long as Molinaro and Grygera are starting for this team, i do not believe the 4-3-1-2 system would be applicable.

But my point is, as we have seen, the wide players do not add as much defensively as people think. Marchionni adds nothing defensively. Maybe their mere presence causes concern, but with the 4-3-1-2 the players on the side can still provide defensive support for the fullbacks. Every single time I watch the team Sissoko spends a quarter of the match on the sides of the pitch anyway, dealing with problems.

 

[Bjerknes]

but if we were to play 4-3-1-2 we would be in danger of getting very congested in the middle of the pitch unless we had 2 top quality attacking fullbacks.

Umm... we had Thuram and sometimes Pessotto on the wings when we played the 4-3-1-2 with Lippi. They are hardly attacking fullbacks.

Stop living with a myth, people.

 

[Mark]

yes, also lets start Nedved till 2020, he has lot of experience.

I prefer having somebody older as a 23rd-25th roster guy than buy somebody who'll cost us some money or a youngster that'll never play.

Don't make me angry here. We don't want that.

no, go on if you want.

 

[Fred]

But my point is, as we have seen, the wide players do not add as much defensively as people think. Marchionni adds nothing defensively. Maybe their mere presence causes concern, but with the 4-3-1-2 the players on the side can still provide defensive support for the fullbacks. Every single time I watch the team Sissoko spends a quarter of the match on the sides of the pitch anyway, dealing with problems.

While i agree that Marchionni doesn't add that much defensively. He's always close to Grygera, due to the fact you guys play a high line sort of, that does help ease the pressure of the fullbacks.

That being said, i do see your point though. Barring Camoranesi(who seems to never be healthy anyway) you guys don't have a decent winger. So from an attacking point of view at least. The two wingers most of the time are indeed pointless.

 

[Fred]

Umm... we had Thuram and sometimes Pessotto on the wings when we played the 4-3-1-2 with Lippi. They are hardly attacking fullbacks.

Stop living with a myth, people.

But those two were good enough to stand their own, even if they didn't add much offensively. Grygera and Molinaro would crack if they were too exposed.

 

[Bjerknes]

While i agree that Marchionni doesn't add that much defensively. He's always close to Grygera, due to the fact you guys play a high line sort of, that does help ease the pressure of the fullbacks.

That being said, i do see your point though. Barring Camoranesi(who seems to never be healthy anyway) you guys don't have a decent winger. So from an attacking point of view at least. The two wingers most of the time are indeed pointless.

As they say, the best line of defense is an attack. I mean, the whole point of the game is to score goals, so while I do know that defensive strength is important (trust me, I was a playmaker converted to a sweeper for team solidity defensively), we still need to run a squad that can crack the better teams. The best line of attack is balance and thought, and thinking of using this same system makes my brain hurt.