The Wish List and General Discussion Thread (18 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

But those two were good enough to stand their own, even if they didn't add much offensively. Grygera and Molinaro would crack if they were too exposed.

They were good enough to stand their own defensively. Offensively however they were limited. The fullbacks we have now are indeed much worse though and need to be replaced no matter what system we use.

Of course we'll be stuck with Moli though. Can't stand this player.

 

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[Fred]

As they say, the best line of defense is an attack. I mean, the whole point of the game is to score goals, so while I do know that defensive strength is important (trust me, I was a playmaker converted to a sweeper for team solidity defensively), we still need to run a squad that can crack the better teams. The best line of attack is balance and thought, and thinking of using this same system makes my brain hurt.

If you were a manager, you'd be Kevin Keegan.

 

[Bjerknes]

If you were a manager, you'd be Kevin Keegan.

DON'T INSULT ME !!

I'd be more like a liberal version of Brian Clough..

 

[The Curr]

Umm... we had Thuram and sometimes Pessotto on the wings when we played the 4-3-1-2 with Lippi. They are hardly attacking fullbacks.

Stop living with a myth, people.

I completely agree with you that the current system is stupid but there's no way we can play without wingers while Grygera and Molinaro are our fullbacks, especially Molinaro (unless we had 2 Sissokos so that one could cover for each of them!)

 

[Fred]

They were good enough to stand their own defensively. Offensively however they were limited. The fullbacks we have now are indeed much worse though and need to be replaced no matter what system we use.

Of course we'll be stuck with Moli though. Can't stand this player.

That was what i was trying to say, if i didn't make myself clear.

I agree, they both need to be replaced. It looks like Ranieri is happy enough with Molinaro, so you can forget about replacing him. But i think Grygera will find himself on the bench by nest season.

 

[Red]

People defend the system because it supposedly adds solidity defensively. If the wingers are allowed to roam freely, then the system becomes susceptible defensively. The whole argument is based on the variable that the wingers provide support for the defense, but that won't happen if Silva is allowed to roam.

So what's the point in using this stupid system again?

On the occasions that a wide player drifts, one if the DMs should be in a position to cover, if necessary.

I defend the 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1, in reality), because I like the shape of it.

However, my attitude is that, particularly when the team has two DMs, the 4 attackers (two forwards and two wingers) should be allowed as much freedom as possible to try and wint the game.

 

[Fred]

DON'T INSULT ME !!

I'd be more like a liberal version of Brian Clough..

I'm not very familiar with what style the great Clough played with.

but i used the Keegan reference, because back in the 90's he was the manager known for gung-ho attacking football.

 

[Alen]

I prefer having somebody older as a 23rd-25th roster guy than buy somebody who'll cost us some money or a youngster that'll never play.

2 players for every position = 22 players. You have 3 aditional spots for CL. One goes to the 3rd goalkeeper and you have 2 more (you also have the B list where the youngsters are). I really don't see a big problem with Brazzo being one of these 2 players. He can cover many positions and he'll be a third choice for all these positions. The only problem are his wages, but if you buy 4 other players to be the third choice for all the positions Brazzo can cover, then you'll be paying more or less the same wages.
Salihamidzic isn't too old. He just turned 32. He's younger than Del Piero, Camo, Legro, Zanetti etc, and still he's the player with most caps in CL than any other player we have.
He's far from starter quality anymore. He used to be in the past, now he's not. But for 3rd choice RB, MR and even ML or LB, he's perfect.

 

[Red]

I'm not very familiar with what style the great Clough played with.

Attacking, passing football in an age when English football was all about the long ball game and kicking people (yes, even more than it is now).

I'm pretty sure he usually played 4-4-2, though.

 

[Bjerknes]

On the occasions that a wide player drifts, one if the DMs should be in a position to cover, if necessary.

I defend the 4-4-2 (or 4-4-1-1, in reality), because I like the shape of it.

However, my attitude is that, particularly when the team has two DMs, the 4 attackers (two forwards and two wingers) should be allowed as much freedom as possible to try and wint the game.

But the system stinks without true wingers who are quick and can take on players. That is my whole point.

I'm not very familiar with what style the great Clough played with.

but i used the Keegan reference, because back in the 90's he was the manager known for gung-ho attacking football.

I'd probably be one of the more boring managers as I use the team I have to fit the system, not the other way around.

 

[Bjerknes]

Attacking, passing football in an age when English football was all about the long ball game and kicking people (yes, even more than it is now).

I'm pretty sure he usually played 4-4-2, though.

I think he also used the 4-3-3.

He just got the best players he could and put them out on the pitch. It wasn't about the system, but rather getting the best players he could and letting them do what they do, regardless of the system.

 

[Red]

But the system stinks without true wingers who are quick and can take on players. That is my whole point.

We aren't likely to agree on this one.

4-4-2 is my prefered formation and it is well established that you aren't a fan of it.

 

[Bjerknes]

We aren't likely to agree on this one.

4-4-2 is my prefered formation and it is well established that you aren't a fan of it.

Well, let me say this. If the wingers aren't true wingers, as in fast players who can take on defenders, they are sometimes left stranded by the system. All of the creation comes from them with the ball being put out wide, a good thing. But when you don't have the players to do that, you're limiting the team to inefficiency.

In our case, we have a strong center defensively with players who don't add much offensively on either side, unless Camo is present. That's why so many people here notice we truly rely on the performance of Amauri and Alex to provide the goods. This isn't intelligent football.

 

[j0ker]

is Eboue any better than Grygera nowadays? he used to be great as a RB until Sagna took over that position..

as for the discussion above I agree with Andy, our wingers offer nothing defensively, we could play 4-3-1-2 with Sissoko and Poulsen cover the fullbacks.. 3 DM's are better than 2 wingers that "help defensively".. either way we should replace both FB's..

 

[The Curr]

is Eboue any better than Grygera nowadays?

On current form, I'd say no.

 

[Enoran]

I think Eboue is not played at RB (currently occupied by Sagna) that is the problem. I still think he is a very good full back.
He totally owned Neddy during one of the CL match few yrs back, would be glad to see him here.

 

[Fred]

I have mixed feelings over Eboue. while i firmly believe he's a good player thats just played out of position. It is incidents like the Tottenham red card that remind me just how much of a cunt he could be.

quality rightback, with a stinking attitude.

 

[Salvo]

his attitude might change with a change of club, maybe?

 

[Fred]

Maybe. but its still a big risk.

 

[CalcioJuventus]

I have mixed feelings over Eboue. while i firmly believe he's a good player thats just played out of position. It is incidents like the Tottenham red card that remind me just how much of a cunt he could be.

quality rightback, with a stinking attitude.

Alot of players have horrible moments. Juve players seem to have bad moments more than others. I can just think of Zebina's antics, Camo's sending offs, Nedved for his kicks and stomps, Ibra when he was here, Momo for his overzelous apporach. Eboue must have alot of pressure trying to win over the fans and get his starting spot back.

I still think he would be a great signing for us and would be able to find his form here and would be much more calm after he leaves Arsenal. Just like Sissoko had a renaissance when he came here.. there was too much drama for him at Liverpool being compared to Mascherano and coming back from his eye injury .. every pass he made was scrutinized. When he came here he was a totally different player then the one who left Liverpool.