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Juventinoo

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Oct 20, 2004
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kappa96

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Jun 20, 2018
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I think if Agnelli and Perez wins football may go bankrupt with all the litigations and settlements.

Its a lose-lose for us
It's not like Juve has the back of exor, a what 45 billion company?
Or real and Barcelona who literally have the Spanish government behind them.
We get banned, we sue. Uefa breaks anti trust laws in Europe if they do that, we get reinstated and they are liable for damages.
In the meantime the breakaway clubs signed a paper and they have to pay up.

It's more a win-win, if we stay united with the Spanish giants.
 
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Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
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Juve, Madrid and Barca reject 'intolerable threats'

Juve, Madrid and Barca reject 'intolerable threats'
By Football Italia staff
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Juventus, Real Madrid and Barcelona released a joint statement slamming ‘unacceptable pressures, threats and offences’ to abandon the Super League project, turning on the nine clubs that signed a deal with UEFA.
As reported earlier today by the New York Times, these three are refusing to let go of the Super League project and will not only take legal action against UEFA, but also the nine sides that backed out – Milan, Inter, Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham and Atletico Madrid.
The three remaining giants released a joint statement this morning regarding the situation.
“In relation to the statement released by UEFA on the 7th May in respect of the Super League and the position taken by 9 of its founding clubs, Fútbol Club Barcelona, Juventus and Real Madrid Club de Fútbol state the following:
(i) The founding clubs have suffered, and continue to suffer, unacceptable third-party pressures, threats, and offenses to abandon the project and therefore desist from their right and duty to provide solutions to the football ecosystem via concrete proposals and constructive dialogue. This is intolerable under the rule of law and Tribunals have already ruled in favour of the Super League proposal, ordering FIFA and UEFA to, either directly or through their affiliated bodies, refrain from taking any action which may hinder this initiative in any way while court proceedings are pending.
(ii) The Super League project was designed jointly by its 12 founding clubs:
a) with the aim of providing solutions to the current unsustainable situation in the football industry. The 12 founding clubs shared the same concerns -as other stakeholders in European football do-, particularly under the current socio-economic context, that structural reforms are indispensable to ensure our sport stays appealing and survives in the long-term. To that effect, on 18th April, they announced their willingness to create the Super League and establish a channel of communication with UEFA and FIFA, in a constructive spirit of collaboration between the parties, as it was so notified to each of them on such date;
b) with the utmost respect for the current football structures and ecosystem. The founding clubs expressly agreed that the Super League would only take place if such a competition was recognised by UEFA and/or FIFA or if, in accordance with applicable laws and regulations, it was deemed to be a competition duly compatible for all purposes with the continuity of the founding clubs in their respective domestic competitions. However, despite being aware of the above terms, UEFA and FIFA have so far refused to establish any adequate channel of communication; and
c) to bring financial stability to the entire European football family, currently under the effects of a deep crisis that threatens the survival of many clubs. Testament of it, the announced commitment to establish annual solidarity payments for guaranteed annual amounts that materially multiply those distributed by UEFA, and the obligation to reinforce financial sustainability rules, through the creation of a clear, transparent and effective control system verified by experts.
(iii) The 12 founding clubs also acknowledged that the Super League was a unique opportunity to offer fans around the world the best possible show and to reinforce global interest in the sport, which is not a “given” and is challenged by new generational trends. Moreover, one of its main objectives was to promote women's football on a global level, a tremendous, but currently underestimated, opportunity for the sector.
(iv) We are fully aware of the diversity of reactions to the Super League initiative and, consequently, of the need to reflect on the reasons for some of them. We are ready to reconsider the proposed approach, as necessary. However, we would be highly irresponsible if, being aware of the needs and systemic crisis in the football sector, which led us to announce the Super League, we abandoned such mission to provide effective and sustainable answers to the existential questions that threaten the football industry.
(v) We regret to see that our friends and founding partners of the Super League project have now found themselves in such inconsistent and contradictory position when signing a number of commitments to UEFA yesterday. However, given that the material issues that led the 12 founding clubs to announce the Super League weeks ago have not gone away, we reiterate that, to honour our history, to comply with our obligations towards our stakeholders and fans, for the good of football and for the financial sustainability of the sector, we have the duty to act in a responsible manner and persevere in the pursuit of adequate solutions, despite the unacceptable and ongoing pressures and threats received from UEFA.
(vi) Mostly, we reiterate to FIFA, UEFA and all football stakeholders, as we have done on several occasions since the announcement of the Super League, our commitment and firm will to discuss, with respect and without intolerable pressure and in accordance with the rule of law, the most appropriate solutions for the sustainability of the whole football family.”
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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A giant monopoly responded exactly the way monopolies would respond. The disciplinary body of UEFA could not even enforce FFP regulations properly.
Such a big risk from UEFA. They're in the wrong legally and they're exposing themselves to all sorts of tough questions.

If they take this further, it's a huge gamble on their part. They might win short term, but they risk disintegration in the long term.

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Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Such a big risk from UEFA. They're in the wrong legally and they're exposing themselves to all sorts of tough questions.

If they take this further, it's a huge gamble on their part. They might win short term, but they risk disintegration in the long term.

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I think they count on the fact that the remaining 3 clubs are in dire financial situation and would bend eventually. But if this results in disintegration I’m all for it.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Isn't that mostly because the core of that winning team was signed before 16/17? Its an interesting stat but I think it says less about Real being pennypinchers and more about them making some great signings who have been the core of an excellent side for years and sticking by them
Yes it is. Also they are able to sell players for a good price, partly because buying a player from Real Madrid is prestigious, and also because they are often in the right age range or have come from their own academy, which makes pure profit on the books.
 

Strickland

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May 17, 2019
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Such a big risk from UEFA. They're in the wrong legally and they're exposing themselves to all sorts of tough questions.

If they take this further, it's a huge gamble on their part. They might win short term, but they risk disintegration in the long term.
They might risk partially losing control over continental club competitions (similar to how FIBA Europe lost it's control over Euroleague) and therefore a large part of their income, but I don't think there's a chance the organization as a whole is at risk, there's really no alternative to that.
 

Fab Fragment

Senior Member
Dec 22, 2018
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They might risk partially losing control over continental club competitions (similar to how FIBA Europe lost it's control over Euroleague) and therefore a large part of their income, but I don't think there's a chance the organization as a whole is at risk, there's really no alternative to that.
What happened with FIBA?
 

Vialli_92

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Mar 7, 2013
6,498
Agnelli has taken his eye off Juve in the last few years. Now with this, it's madness. It's unnecessary to go to war with Uefa even if we are not exactly in the wrong.
 

Zlatan

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2003
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There is no case, its all just talk. Even Fifa president said few days ago, that there shouldnt be any punishment, aware that any kind of punishment could invoke European commision to get involved. I dont think they would like that. Take a look at the several rulings, they stomp pretty hard at companies/organizations that go against free market and competition. At the end of the day Super League would have been another market, which would offer clubs economic benefits.

Mostly right, but the ESL would not be a another market, it would have been another "product" which competes against the current product (the CL).

The situation is nearly identical to the basketball Euroleagurle.
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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Such a big risk from UEFA. They're in the wrong legally and they're exposing themselves to all sorts of tough questions.

If they take this further, it's a huge gamble on their part. They might win short term, but they risk disintegration in the long term.

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NATO had no legal right to do what they did in 1999, yet they did it. I'm afraid UEFA are like big banks in the US, too big to fail, and when it comes down to that you can't do much but bend over.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
22,600
Mostly right, but the ESL would not be a another market, it would have been another "product" which competes against the current product (the CL).

The situation is nearly identical to the basketball Euroleagurle.
Football match is a product and we have right to offer this product at whichever market we please without any of the markets pressuring us to forfeit economic benefits.
 

Zlatan

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2003
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Football match is a product and we have right to offer this product at whichever market we please without any of the markets pressuring us to forfeit economic benefits.
No, in this context the league is the product not the match. The matches are a part of the product, but the product as such is the entire league.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
22,600
No, in this context the league is the product not the match. The matches are a part of the product, but the product as such is the entire league.
If that were the case, it doesnt change much from anti trust perspective. Currently in Europe there is only one major continental competition (CL) for clubs, which awfuly resembles monopoly. Clubs trying to establish a different one cannot and shouldnt be prevented. Anywho rulling against ISU:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/es/IP_17_5184
 
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