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Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,995
I am not going to start talking about the Brexit cause that’s another topic but that is a lot of bullshit.
The UK received way more from the EU than just paying hundreds of millions to the EU. You should think about it before stating such bullshit.
Cause that’s all Johnson’s propaganda talk and not even half the truth


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well that's your opinion. Given the current situation with the vaccine roll out and what the EU are dictating I'm glad we're well clear of them, that's all I'll say.
 

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tosh_rose

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Aug 21, 2010
1,465
Way too much drama about something that was bound to happen. I see most of the people hate it mainly because thats how the journos they read and follow report the news regarding SL, journos have massive ego and feel angry because they didnt have the chance to spam each 5 minutes for weeks about rumors and confident informants and what someone that is close to someone else said to another one while peeing or having lunch or both. Basically they are angry because they were kept in the dark and only heard about it like an hour before it was officially announced. Another big reason is all those retarded ex players that are experDs now simply because they used to play the game once upon a time, those people are clueless but their opinion is shared and retweeted million times...

People are angry about the closed group with no relegation, but that is THE ONLY WAY in which a Super League can start, all those clubs that play there are going on a war vs UEFA and will be banned from UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League forever, no club would sign to play for SL if by the end of the season few clubs will be relegated and left to play only in their domestic league until they rejoin the Super League again. Its that simple, yet I havent seen one journo or so-called ex player experD to reach to that conclusion on his own. While there is still UEFA banning clubs for CL and EL and keep insisting that they are bigger than everyone else and deserve to live forever, clubs will join Super League voluntarily and wont get relegated since they would be punished for their rebellion and banned to play in CL or EL even if they qualify for them, again - simple.

When dust settles in couple of years and either UEFA sits on the table with SL to negotiate or other clubs decide to talk to SL and jump ships there, then another division could be formed, and if the project is indeed a success those clubs that would ask to join would not be few, it would be more than enough to form another division with 2 groups with 10 teams or whatever. I guess UEFA would still be alive and just as useless as it is now.

Bigger gap between top clubs and smaller clubs, thats easy to predict since its already a fact for over a decade, maybe even more. Lets see the solidarity plan in action, if SL actually does whats been said and promised then in 3 years they can provide even more help to the smaller clubs than UEFA in 3 decades, and thats not really an exaggeration. Lots of members already said a lot about that subject, one thing I want to say is that not every smaller club wants to progress, improve and fight for something better or reach higher level, not every smaller club has ambition to close the gap to those in front! Thats a fact, cannot be argued against or denied - there are clubs even in the top leagues who are more than happy to just participate and at the end of the campaign to see the club on a position between 10th and 14th place for example, they have zero ambition, they make zero investments, they make no risks, if they produce a decent player they dont even try to keep him and build around him - he`s sold to the highest bidder, they simply exist and react only when they neglected their squad for a few years and find themselves fighting for survival and against relegation, then and only then they start to care about their results.

When UEFA ceases to exist or gets reformed so that it is actually functional and meaningful for the 21st century then SL would change the format, accept more clubs, make divisions more interesting..

Also, a second Super League division with 20 new clubs in two groups with 10 each and a chance for playoffs and promotion to the First SL would be a thousand times more exciting and interesting to all than a Champions League season with the exact same 20 clubs plus another 16 in that terrible format they announced yesterday when all 36 teams play in one League but play only 10 games each to qualify for next stage of the tournament - now that is a terrible idea, terrible plan, terrible reform, all done by a terrible governing body that had people working on it for two years, those people were paid money for two years to eventually come up with that and their bosses actually agreed and approved it!! That change along with the invention of League of Nations or whatever the name was are more then enough reasons as to why UEFA shouldnt exist anymore and radical changes are needed. Urgently!
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
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Caragher with a moment of clarity.
Watch him get the sack next, since he works for sky, I belive.
Sky the company that was charging viewers £15 (which is more than what I pay a month to watch Juve) to watch West brom Vs Burnley at the height of the pandemic. Hypocrites indeed, Gary Neville one of the biggest ones of the lot.
 

mondo1

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May 14, 2006
11,448
well that's your opinion. Given the current situation with the vaccine roll out and what the EU are dictating I'm glad we're well clear of them, that's all I'll say.
Sure as it was bound to fail with the EU involved. It’s to big and slow and to much bureaucracy involved for a pandemic which requires quick solutions.

That’s the issue with the Eu and try to find a consensus with all the members.

But talking about how much you paid to the EU and fishing rights is not half the truth. The UK has received way more than it has paid plus they did profit a lot from exporting to other states too.


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CrimsonianKing

Count Mbangula
Jan 16, 2013
27,326
It goes against the history of football, but that recent history has led us here. To a completely corrupt and broken system.

But I don’t see it in North American sports. I’d take the NHL and NFL as the best examples of it. Especially because the draft is far less certain than the NBA and a single player can’t change fortune of a franchise to the same degree. Both those leagues are closed, yet extremely competitive (far more so than European top flight and CL football). Rarely are teams uncompetitive for long periods of time and between the draft and free agency, salary cap, and salary floor, different teams are always rising to contend at the top. You don’t get your club finances destroyed just because you had a bad couple years. As I said before, in the past 10 years, 14 of 31 teams in the NHL have made the Stanley cup finals. 7 different winners. Every single NHL team has been in the playoffs in the past 10 seasons. 12 of 32 NFL teams have played in the super bowl in the past 10 years. 8 different winners. 31 of 32 have been in the playoffs.

Maybe there is a way to appease the big clubs and make a system that allows small clubs to actually be competitive like that, while keeping relegation/promotion system intact, but I don’t really see it.
Well, this isn’t it either. This is worse for the clubs that aren’t gonna be in it. Let’s call it what it is, it’s a Big boys rich club with permanent membership and screw the rest. This is anything but “saving” football.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
16,931

Caragher with a moment of clarity.
Watch him get the sack next, since he works for sky, I belive.
I can see more pundits joining him in coming out with statements like that, once things have settled down and they've come to accept that the club they love is going all in no matter what.

Whats funny about this is, they will soon adopt sentiments for this superleague. They will root their english teams once again and providing they are not removed from prem league, once again class their league as the best lol
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,145
I’ve never seen a bigger fucking idiot on football TV than Gary Neville, and that includes all of the stupid pundits we have over here in the US. Hopefully he just stops following football completely, but everyone knows he’ll be watching the SL and shitbag United side if they’re making money so he can too.
 

PhRoZeN

Livin with Mediocre
Mar 29, 2006
16,931
Speaking on Tuesday, Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin said the six Premier League clubs planning on a breakaway European Super League had made a "huge mistake".

The Slovenian criticised the attitude of owners who he said view the game as a "product" and fans as "consumers".

"I would like to address the owners of some English clubs," said Ceferin.

"Gentlemen, you made a huge mistake. Some will say it is greed, others disdain, arrogance or complete ignorance of England's football culture, but actually it doesn't matter.

"What matters is that there is still time to change your mind, everyone makes mistakes. English fans deserve to have you correct your mistake, they deserve respect."
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Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
36,923
Financially speaking, this would be good for Juve, but ask yourself, do you support Juve for their balance sheet or to see them compete on the pitch? Because, help me understand, how is this consistently competing on merit?

CL with all its glaring flaws, give every team the chance to compete (despite the severe limitations for small nations to qualify to it). You do well in league, you get to compete in CL. You get the chance to beat teams with 10s of times more revenue then you. The ones with most money generally win and waters down the edge of it, but anyone who does well in their league can compete in it. Its a meritocracy at its core, despite how lop-sided it can be.


How is SL gonna even be a real competition that consistently holds its viewers interest, when its completely closed off permanently? And your inclusion has nothing to do with your current performances on the pitch? At its very essence, it would be an embarrassment to have a competition where membership is permanently rigged and guaranteed based on revenue + marketing power. Not football performance.

It is no longer a competition, just an advert.


This is fine to do with national leagues like in america, no matter how silly I find no relegation aspect of it, but to do it for a continent like Europe? With century long traditions and leagues? This has severe risk to completely back fire (in both sides).


Especially if the domestic leagues go through with the threat of kicking out the SL teams from their leagues. Then that's severe game changer, since its much more liveable notion if SL simply replaces mid week CL games. But Juventus without Serie A football is hardly Juventus anymore.
Dude, even with zero competitiveness Juve-Real is more entertaining than a merited Porto-Monaco CL final.

Just sheer number of their fans/followers worldwide and them playing just for bragging rights alone will get more attention, more entertainment, and crazy activity online and offline.
 

Strickland

Senior Member
May 17, 2019
5,859
I really don't understand Ceferin's view that the big clubs haven't always been big and that stories like Atalanta are needed. The Spain 3 is literally the 3 clubs in Spain with most trophies, they were successful clubs in Spain 20 years ago and they are now. The Italian 3 is even more solid in this regard, as Milan and Inter are 2nd and 3rd by a large margin. The EPL has Pool and ManUnited, again 2 of the biggest English clubs since forever, 2 clubs with rich owners in Chelsea and City and Spurs and Arsenal that benefited massively from being in the EPL in the 2010s.

There are literally 0 stories here about a club coming from nothing and making its own fortune on the field. In the last 20 years in European football the only way to upgrade to top club status in Europe is investing shitloads of private money, nothing else has worked.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Well, this isn’t it either. This is worse for the clubs that aren’t gonna be in it. Let’s call it what it is, it’s a Big boys rich club with permanent membership and screw the rest. This is anything but “saving” football.
For myself, I’ll reserve judgment until ya know, we actually see it in action. Because current setup has been shit for a decade and a half and has zero competitiveness and sporting quality.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,343
For myself, I’ll reserve judgment until ya know, we actually see it in action. Because current setup has been shit for a decade and a half and has zero competitiveness and sporting quality.
The biggest issue I have with it is this: in football it's a universal dream to have your hometown club evolve to playing on the biggest stage of all.

That dream is now being taken away by people who were clearly inspired by the NFL and the NBA.

Football is not like that. In football you fight for your spot each year.

It's arguably why it's the biggest sport of all and the sport of the people.

Change FIFA. Change UEFA. But don't let the Agnellis of the world hijack a sport. Don't let them install a new system of nobility.

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