The Super League part deux? (19 Viewers)

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LiquidPLP

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It's a dead project anyway, at least as things stand. With that in mind the club should mind its own business and make a deal with UEFA so that they avoid ANY sanctions with exchange for dropping ESL.

Sooner or later it will be back and eventually happen but JJ doesn't have to be the front runner that takes the beating to pave the way for the others. Like they didn't have enough of their own problems to deal with.
 

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The Quazis

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LiquidPLP said:
It's a dead project anyway, at least as things stand. With that in mind the club should mind its own business and make a deal with UEFA so that they avoid ANY sanctions with exchange for dropping ESL.

Sooner or later it will be back and eventually happen but JJ doesn't have to be the front runner that takes the beating to pave the way for the others. Like they didn't have enough of their own problems to deal with.
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The thing is we need it to happen ASAP. Otherwise we will just become Ajax vol 2.
 
Quetzalcoatl

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I know a guy who's an Ajax supporter since the days they were a powerhouse. I always wondered what it's like to back a team you don't even watch anymore because the league they play in is so irrelevant. Guess I'm bout to find out.
 
LiquidPLP

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The Quazis said:
I think you exaggerate.
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Why? without CL for a few years, you're forced to downsize significantly. After calciopoli we were on that level for the next 5-6 years. Same shit happened to Milan and Inter afterwards, without CL money their fullback were Nagatomo and Kevin fucking Constant. Our symbol Marco Motta would stand next to them.

The problem is that you don't realize that penalties could be applied for multiple years. Imagine we don't make it to CL this season because of penalty points. Then UEFA gives us a year or maybe even more long ban for EU cups. We're set up for a few years of mediocrity from the get-go, because the finances of the club even at this point are shit. Imagine after a few years of this. Once we qualify we're not in CL anyway because of the ban. This shit can get out of hand very quickly and Johnny won't be putting money into JJ all the time.
 
The Quazis

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LiquidPLP said:
Why? without CL for a few years, you're forced to downsize significantly. After calciopoli we were on that level for the next 5-6 years. Same shit happened to Milan and Inter afterwards, without CL money their fullback were Nagatomo and Kevin fucking Constant. Our symbol Marco Motta would stand next to them.

The problem is that you don't realize that penalties could be applied for multiple years. Imagine we don't make it to CL this season because of penalty points. Then UEFA gives us a year or maybe even more long ban for EU cups. We're set up for a few years of mediocrity from the get-go, because the finances of the club even at this point are shit. Imagine after a few years of this. Once we qualify we're not in CL anyway because of the ban. This shit can get out of hand very quickly and Johnny won't be putting money into JJ all the time.
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Well, it took us one transfer session to go from two consecutive 7th places to the scudetto. Finances of all football clubs basically would be shit if it wasn't for rich owners pumping money in or clubs taking loans.

The thing is, Juventus cannot be the only punished club. First of all, there are no regulations regarding plusvalenza on players transfers. Second of all, if they punish us they would need to punish all the italian clubs as everybody was doing it. UEFA would need to punish Barcelona as well for the Pjanic - Arthur swap.

We clearly took it in the ass in 2006. The times have changed though and the Agnelli family was left without guidance after the deaths of Gianni and Umberto. Andrea Agnelli and most notably John Elkann were kids back then. Now Elkann is the head of a holding with revenues of around 136 billion fucking dollars. He has the tools to defend himself and apparently he is willing to do so.
 
LiquidPLP

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The Quazis said:
Well, it took us one transfer session to go from two consecutive 7th places to the scudetto. Finances of all football clubs basically would be shit if it wasn't for rich owners pumping money in or clubs taking loans.

The thing is, Juventus cannot be the only punished club. First of all, there are no regulations regarding plusvalenza on players transfers. Second of all, if they punish us they would need to punish all the italian clubs as everybody was doing it. UEFA would need to punish Barcelona as well for the Pjanic - Arthur swap.

We clearly took it in the ass in 2006. The times have changed though and the Agnelli family was left without guidance after the deaths of Gianni and Umberto. Andrea Agnelli and most notably John Elkann were kids back then. Now Elkann is the head of a holding with revenues of around 136 billion fucking dollars. He has the tools to defend himself and apparently he is willing to do so.
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All your points are valid.

Then, here we are and all of what you said goes straight to the trash at the moment. We ARE the only club punished for the plusvalenza, all the others are absolved of any wrongdoing. Apparently the next instance (CONI?) can overturn the sentence ONLY based on some technical errors, not on the substance (meaning, we need to find an obvious mistake from the prosecutor in terms of procedures, otherwise the punishment stays). All of that and this is only the first trial, then come the salary maneuver and FFP agreement violation with UEFA.

I like your optimistic point of view, I wish I was capable of believing in Italian juridical system but I simply don't. They are in Europe when you look at the map but for the shit that's happening there, it's worse than a 3rd World country. A true which hunting, where they sentenced Juve based on wiretaps confessions without proving ANY of the deals breaking the rules. Yeah, because there are no rules to apply here but it haven't stopped them from giving a hefty penalty for who-knows-what by now. No other country does that.
 
The Quazis

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LiquidPLP said:
All your points are valid.

Then, here we are and all of what you said goes straight to the trash at the moment. We ARE the only club punished for the plusvalenza, all the others are absolved of any wrongdoing. Apparently the next instance (CONI?) can overturn the sentence ONLY based on some technical errors, not on the substance (meaning, we need to find an obvious mistake from the prosecutor in terms of procedures, otherwise the punishment stays). All of that and this is only the first trial, then come the salary maneuver and FFP agreement violation with UEFA.

I like your optimistic point of view, I wish I was capable of believing in Italian juridical system but I simply don't. They are in Europe when you look at the map but for the shit that's happening there, it's worse than a 3rd World country. A true which hunting, where they sentenced Juve based on wiretaps confessions without proving ANY of the deals breaking the rules. Yeah, because there are no rules to apply here but it haven't stopped them from giving a hefty penalty for who-knows-what by now. No other country does that.
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We shall see. I just can't see us being the scapegoat again considering the resources we have at our disposal, the global appeal and the social medial world we are living.
Even Italian juridical system cannot do whatever they want. Not to mention that EU courts can overturn any decision made by a local court so we can appeal there.
Basically it's a political game and I hope Elkann has gained some weight since 2006.
 
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