I always wore 88 when I played "American" Football.
I had no idea that I was such a racist...
I had no idea that I was such a racist...
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but i think 88 is a cool number 
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"I chose number 28 for my Juve jersey. That's because I was born on the 28th and also because 2 plus 8 makes 10, which is my favourite numbe
When Buffon used 88 at Parma some said he was a Nazi and using it as HH (Heil Hitler), which of course is ridiculous. Then he changed to 77 and they said it was for GG (Goebbels & Goering, also Nazis), equally ridiculous. When he came to Juve he wanted to use 88 but Moggi and the club said that he must use 1 as the club only used authentic football squad numbers, and not the silly ones you see at other clubs. For ice hockey and basketball they are part of tradition, for football they are a gimmick. You don't see clubs like Juventus, Man Utd, Real Madrid and Barcelona using them. Inter and Milan on the other hand, well look at the owners.
I always wore 88 when I played "American" Football.
I had no idea that I was such a racist...
I had no idea that I was such a racist...
It was just a stupid little joke, Seven. Ease up, man. I understand why people acknowledge the link between that number and neonazis, and I was aware of the link before this conversation. It's not difficult to recognize that a link exists.
However, like you said, context is always key; in this context, we have no reason to believe that Melo is a racist, and any sort of conspiracy theories that link his choice of jersey number with that particular movement are simply ridiculous (For the record, I'm not saying that you, or anyone else here was contending that Melo is a racist).
In my opinion, suggesting that athletes choose numbers to support or promote racist ideologies gives those racist causes more value and coverage than they deserve. Until there is tangible evidence of racist behavior, such broad associations aren't productive, and I find them stupid.
The fact that 88 has been used by neonazis in the past (and present), is not surprising; we're talking about the most basic from of code here... naturally some degenerate, racist simpletons would have adopted it.
However, like you said, context is always key; in this context, we have no reason to believe that Melo is a racist, and any sort of conspiracy theories that link his choice of jersey number with that particular movement are simply ridiculous (For the record, I'm not saying that you, or anyone else here was contending that Melo is a racist).
In my opinion, suggesting that athletes choose numbers to support or promote racist ideologies gives those racist causes more value and coverage than they deserve. Until there is tangible evidence of racist behavior, such broad associations aren't productive, and I find them stupid.
The fact that 88 has been used by neonazis in the past (and present), is not surprising; we're talking about the most basic from of code here... naturally some degenerate, racist simpletons would have adopted it.
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I made a joke, your reacted strongly about something I was already familiar with, and then I extended a point that was on topic - at least for the moment. Apparently it was misinterpreted, because your response seems to indicate that I was attributing general behavior, or certain ideas to you; I wasn't.
I said that I am familiar with the history of 88; one doesn't have to be in Europe to understand that there is a strong history in Europe (and to a lesser extent, elsewhere) surrounding this number.
I live in a country of predominantly European immigrants, many of whom came to Canada to escape persecution. If you think that I've never met Jews who were strongly affected by the holocaust, or neonazism, then you're ridiculously fucking wrong; my last roommate for instance. Anyway, I understand the sensitivities, but it gets to the point where some linkages, in certain context, are fairly weak; that's what I'm saying here.
By the way, I said, "For the record, I'm not saying that you, or anyone else here was contending that Melo is a racist."
My point was simply that I didn't think any linkages in this matter/thread were necessary, or appropriate.
Also, I was not saying that you were suggesting that players choose numbers, based upon racist motives. I was simply expounding upon my belief that conspiracy theory linkages like this are overkill, and ridiculous. I was not trying to intimate what your personal beliefs on these subjects are, one way or another.
Ahh, the master at play... always looking for a confrontation, from the safety of his own computer and an internet connection. Why don't you go create another retarded self serving 'list-thread', bash some peaceful muslim forum members, or play in traffic, you attention whore.
Gotta love fucking bigots who have a completely off the charts valuation of their own self worth.
I made a joke, your reacted strongly about something I was already familiar with, and then I extended a point that was on topic - at least for the moment. Apparently it was misinterpreted, because your response seems to indicate that I was attributing general behavior, or certain ideas to you; I wasn't.
I said that I am familiar with the history of 88; one doesn't have to be in Europe to understand that there is a strong history in Europe (and to a lesser extent, elsewhere) surrounding this number.
I live in a country of predominantly European immigrants, many of whom came to Canada to escape persecution. If you think that I've never met Jews who were strongly affected by the holocaust, or neonazism, then you're ridiculously fucking wrong; my last roommate for instance. Anyway, I understand the sensitivities, but it gets to the point where some linkages, in certain context, are fairly weak; that's what I'm saying here.
By the way, I said, "For the record, I'm not saying that you, or anyone else here was contending that Melo is a racist."
My point was simply that I didn't think any linkages in this matter/thread were necessary, or appropriate.
Also, I was not saying that you were suggesting that players choose numbers, based upon racist motives. I was simply expounding upon my belief that conspiracy theory linkages like this are overkill, and ridiculous. I was not trying to intimate what your personal beliefs on these subjects are, one way or another.
Ahh, the master at play... always looking for a confrontation, from the safety of his own computer and an internet connection. Why don't you go create another retarded self serving 'list-thread', bash some peaceful muslim forum members, or play in traffic, you attention whore.
Gotta love fucking bigots who have a completely off the charts valuation of their own self worth.
