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Rollie

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So Kunitz only gets 1 game for that ridiculous elbow. The NHL needs to be way more consistent about their supplemental discipline.

Marchand was a first time offender and got two games earlier in the season for a similar, but less vicious blow. Looks like they cut the penalty in half because it's the playoffs - which is weak.

Pittsburgh got lucky here. Good to see that Gagne is alright - as if he needs another head injury; guy finally caught a break.
 

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So Kunitz only gets 1 game for that ridiculous elbow. The NHL needs to be way more consistent about their supplemental discipline.

Marchand was a first time offender and got two games earlier in the season for a similar, but less vicious blow. Looks like they cut the penalty in half because it's the playoffs - which is weak.

Pittsburgh got lucky here. Good to see that Gagne is alright - as if he needs another head injury; guy finally caught a break.
What about the hit on Lovejoy?
 

Rollie

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Downey's hit, right? It was almost carbon copy to that one he threw on (I think it was) Dean Lombardi a while back, which was serious business.

It's true GB, that was filthy too. Downey's known for it. He left his feet, and it looked like he was head hunting.

I brought up the Kunitz example because I had a very specific comparison from this year, since the rules have been adjusted, etc. Also, I've always been a fan of Gagne, so I'm a bit biased there. That guy has had so many injuries - head and neck - and that elbow was ridiculously blatant. Not even close to a 'hockey play'.

But yeah, I thought there was a pretty clear precedent set since these rule adjustments (I believe Heatley also got 2 games for a pretty vicious elbow on... Eriksson? )... I guess not.

I will say that I have no idea about Kunitz's track record with this sort of thing, but for a 1st time offender the punishment was 2 games.
 

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Downey's hit, right? It was almost carbon copy to that one he threw on (I think it was) Dean Lombardi a while back, which was serious business.

It's true GB, that was filthy too. Downey's known for it. He left his feet, and it looked like he was head hunting.

I brought up the Kunitz example because I had a very specific comparison from this year, since the rules have been adjusted, etc. Also, I've always been a fan of Gagne, so I'm a bit biased there. That guy has had so many injuries - head and neck - and that elbow was ridiculously blatant. Not even close to a 'hockey play'.

But yeah, I thought there was a pretty clear precedent set since these rule adjustments (I believe Heatley also got 2 games for a pretty vicious elbow on... Eriksson? )... I guess not.

I will say that I have no idea about Kunitz's track record with this sort of thing, but for a 1st time offender the punishment was 2 games.
I just read that Downie is out next game too.

Yeah it was a bad elbow. Yeah he probably should have got a couple of games. I think Kunitz was let off because he's got a pretty clean record and it's the playoffs.

Though I agree that if the NHL is going to be serious about illegal hits, protecting the head, etc they need to be more consistent. Sure Matt Cooke getting suspended for a month sends a message, but it's no use if there is no consistency. Big examples being the Chara hit and the Bertuzzi hit against Chicago.EDIT: Add on teh Torres on Seabrook hit from the other night.
 

Rollie

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I just read that Downie is out next game too.

Yeah it was a bad elbow. Yeah he probably should have got a couple of games. I think Kunitz was let off because he's got a pretty clean record and it's the playoffs.

Though I agree that if the NHL is going to be serious about illegal hits, protecting the head, etc they need to be more consistent. Sure Matt Cooke getting suspended for a month sends a message, but it's no use if there is no consistency. Big examples being the Chara hit and the Bertuzzi hit against Chicago.EDIT: Add on teh Torres on Seabrook hit from the other night.
I haven't seen the Bertuzzi hit, buddy.

You know I disagree with you on some interpretations of the Chara hit. Don't really want to drag all of that back up, this series is tense enough already :D

I will say that with the Chara hit, and the Seabrook hit, the lack of punishment largely comes down to the specific language within the rules - for the most part.

In the Seabrook case, apparently there is some lenience in the rule book about shoulder checks to the head behind the net - because it is a high traffic area where heavy contact is to be expected.

So the league is basically saying protect yourself (I'm not saying that's right, I just remember hearing part of an interview last night, where a panel indicated that there is a healthy quotient of 'grey' language regarding that situation). Because his chest is facing the player straight on, it's also hard to argue that it's a blindside hit.

But the blindside, blatant elbow to the head, a la Cooke, Marchand, Heatley, Kunitz, is a situation that has continually popped up and that the league has created specific rules/language to address; it's something that I feel should, by now, be much easier to assess.

On the Kunitz hit, you can't go to the rule book and find any loopholes in the language, yet for some reason they've decided it's alright to redefine the precedent for supplemental discipline - in my opinion, because it's the playoffs.

For me, that's some sketchy practice.
 
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    Though I agree that if the NHL is going to be serious about illegal hits, protecting the head, etc they need to be more consistent. Sure Matt Cooke getting suspended for a month sends a message, but it's no use if there is no consistency. Big examples being the Chara hit and the Bertuzzi hit against Chicago.EDIT: Add on teh Torres on Seabrook hit from the other night.
    I didn't think the Bertuzzi hit was that bad, and neither did the Hawks.

    http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/cbsports-blackhawks-bertuzzi-johnson,0,4798582.story

    This is a muddy area because at times it's difficult to judge malicious intent. But looking at the two incidents, I'd say that the Kunitz cheap-shot, blind-spot elbow to the head is the worser of the two. The action was from behind and aimed directly at the head. That's clearly a dangerous play and he's certainly lucky he didn't get more than one game.
     

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    Fuck those Sharks...what a comeback...i would be suprised if the Kings to comeback to these series after such a blow...wow.
    i really hope i'm wrong and the series will go to 7...

    LET'S GO RED WINGS!!!
     

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    Ouch! That one hurts.

    Yeah, boarding, elbowing, history of discipline issues (although I can't remember anything recently)... what did Bert get?

    He got ejected with most of the 1st period still to play, so that's pretty much a game to begin with...
    Just the ejection. I think.
     
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    Ouch! That one hurts.

    Yeah, boarding, elbowing, history of discipline issues (although I can't remember anything recently)... what did Bert get?

    He got ejected with most of the 1st period still to play, so that's pretty much a game to begin with...
    Just the game misconduct, no ban.

    Just the ejection. I think.
    Are you watching the Pens game? Who on your team got hit high and had to come off the ice?
     
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    Bondra to score for the Caps and Stevens for Pitts.
    I heard from the Slovak hottie I know that they absolutely HATE Petr Bondra in Slovakia. Apparently it's because his son is going to play for the US should he become good. :lol:
     

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