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[Osman]

Unless he goes to Rockets (without even considering if its feasible cap wise), there is no scenario he can join that can instantly make him competetive with GSW. So IMO he will move for other reasons, whatever interests him market wise or somewhere he can join his friends and still do alright.

 

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[KB824]

Will Lebron stay or leave in your opinion ?

Leave.

He's gone.

His relationship with Dan Gilbert is so bad at this point. His run is over in Cleveland. he gave them what they wanted. He knows that he will never catch jordan or even Kobe at this point, so anything he does from this point out is to expand his brand, and that can't happen in Cleveland

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Derrick Rose 2k rating?


They did him so dirty....

No idea what it is, but he is so far past his prime at this point.

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We COULD talk about these tampering charges that Indiana brought against the Lakers.

But if all they have is a wink-wink by Magic Johnson on the Jimmy Kimmel show, then I really don't know what the NBA could do, aside from fine Magic.

Now if they have something in writing or text, then it's a whole different ballgame, but I refuse to believe that the Lakers are that stupid.

Slaps on the wrist have been doled out for much more egregious stuff than this.

 

[Osman]

No one is dumb enough to be caught for tampering anymore in this zero privacy age, and most mentionning or even hinting at a free agent coming to you as team official is indisclosed fine at best it seems. Organisations dont need to risk it, they can just have a player induce or entice a free agent come to you, since its perfectly legal for players to do it, aslong as they dont promise financial incentives like mafiosi

 

[KB824]

No one is dumb enough to be caught for tampering anymore in this zero privacy age, and most mentionning or even hinting at a free agent coming to you as team official is indisclosed fine at best it seems. Organisations dont need to risk it, they can just have a player induce or entice a free agent come to you, since its perfectly legal for players to do it, aslong as they dont promise financial incentives like mafiosi

That is what it appears.

I have to tell you that as a Laker fan, I am really excited for this season. I don't expect miracles, but I think they have improved offensively with the floor spacing of Lopez, and the pass first attitude of Ball, and definitely defensively with Lopez's rim protection and KCP's perimeter defense. I definitely expect an improvement this year.

I can't wait for the season to start. I'm probably going to end up ordering NBA League Pass this year.

 

[ALC]

Agreed that Kyrie is levels above IT and the trade is worth it for the Celtics. But am I really hearing that LeBron is not on Kobe's level?

What is with people?

 

[Cheesio]

Kyrie is more flashy than IT, he is better but not levels above right now.

And yeah i like Kobe, but Lebron is a better basketball player.

PS: if you want to go by rings, then Bill Russel is the best player ever.

 

[zizinho]

the Bill Russell argument is a 13 yo kids one. so stupid, yet it gets repeated all the time

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you even have people mention Robert Horry lol. always have to laugh

 

[KB824]

Hips don't lie.................

It's a good thing Ainge didn't leak those locker room rumors...................


Oh wait.

 

[Cheesio]

the Bill Russell argument is a 13 yo kids one. so stupid, yet it gets repeated all the time

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you even have people mention Robert Horry lol. always have to laugh

So how can Kobe better than Lebron ? When the latter surpassed him in everything and he is better in pretty much in every part of the game ?

 

[zizinho]

So how can Kobe better than Lebron ? When the latter surpassed him in everything and he is better in pretty much in every part of the game ?

lets see:


defense - Kobe
scoring - Kobe
FT - Kobe
mid range - Kobe
3 pt - Kobe
footwork - Kobe
ball handling - Kobe

Lebrons got - passing, rebounding (debatable). what else, maybe im forgetting something?

 

[Cheesio]

lets see:


defense - Kobe
scoring - Kobe
FT - Kobe
mid range - Kobe
3 pt - Kobe
footwork - Kobe
ball handling - Kobe

Lebrons got - passing, rebounding (debatable). what else, maybe im forgetting something?

Do you know what efficiency means ?

Kobe was a great player but he wasn't as efficient as Lebron. Scoring 3-5 point more at a worse efficiency doesn't mean you better scorer, just means you take more shots.

Lebron obviously doesn't have a scoring mentality that Kobe had but he can go and put 30 every night if he wanted too as a better efficiency.

Lebron is a better team player, better passer, rebounder, team defender, higher basketball IQ.....

Kobe couldn't get out of the first round when he hadn't had another Star with him in the Lakers. Lebron took very mediocre teams to the finals/ECF....

 

[zizinho]

Do you know what efficiency means ?

Kobe was a great player but he wasn't as efficient as Lebron. Scoring 3-5 point more at a worse efficiency doesn't mean you better scorer, just means you take more shots.

Lebron obviously doesn't have a scoring mentality that Kobe had but he can go and put 30 every night if he wanted too as a better efficiency.

Lebron is a better team player, better passer, rebounder, team defender, higher basketball IQ.....

Kobe couldn't get out of the first round when he hadn't had another Star with him in the Lakers. Lebron took very mediocre teams to the finals/ECF....

i just listed you the things Kobe is better at, you talk about efficiency and hypothetical scenarios where James would score 30 at higher efficiency easily. and thats exactly the problem with you stat freaks that look at the sport from a numbers perspective. because you know what happened last time when he was forced to take more shots than he usually does? he shot under 40% from the field. the only thing you can say Lebron is for sure better at is passing. he is a SF/PF, hes supposed to rebound the ball more. but is he better? as i said, thats debatable because number of rebounds increases with size and position obviously. how good of a rebounder Kobe is, best shows the 2010 finals, when he out rebounded the likes of KG, R. Wallace, Lamar, Bynum, Perkins, Artest. better team player? how much was he holding the ball in the last finals compared to everyone else on his team? how can a great team player reduce the rest of his team to spotup shooters and make them look clueless once he leaves the game, because they have no idea what each and everyones role on the court is? so thats also BS. team defender? what was the last great defensive team he played on? higher basketball iq? absolutely not.

now lets move on to the next thing - winning without stars. do you not realize the difference in the level of competition both were up against throughout their careers? the west has been a complete madness for Kobes entire career, the level of competition is just so much higher than the east for the most part of lebrons career. couldn't get out of the 1st round? maybe that had to do with the fact he played a 60 win team in that same round, which still wasnt even the best team in the conference, while having a starting lineup consisting of him, Odom, Walton, K. Brown, S. Parker. Odom was literally the only good player he had. now explain this. how can he then make the finals a year later, with that same team + Gasol? is Gasol really that great of an NBA player? what are his accomplishments before joining Kobe? or after he left? Lebron even managed to play sub .500 teams in the playoffs several times, how many 50 or 60 win teams he faced in the eastern conference compared to Kobe i dont even wanna count

 

[zizinho]

http://www.scoresway.com/?sport=basketball&page=news&view=article&news_id=1033336

Lakers to retire both of Kobe Bryant´s jersey numbers

 

[Ronn]

Kevin Durant apparently has a secret twitter account which he uses to defend himself, and he forgot to switch between accounts today
[video=twitter;909773195573686275]https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/909773195573686275[/video]

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Maybe some Juve players are Tuz members

 

[acmilan]

Hips don't lie.................

It's a good thing Ainge didn't leak those locker room rumors...................

Oh wait.

Man, feel bad for IT and his prospects of getting that big-money deal he deserves, imo. This trade put his hip issue under a microscope and who knows if a team will be willing to back up that Brinks truck for him in 2018.

This being said, I am starting to feel a lot better about the Kyrie trade with the latest news coming out on IT's hip. Would have loved Crowder to stay, but I guess they had to include him in the deal for salary cap purposes ...

Also, it seems Ainge isn't as high on the 2018 Nets pick as he was on the 2017 one. Nets got a bit better roster-wise but the East got a lot worse, as a whole, with a bunch of teams likely to tank this year, while the Nets have no reason to follow suit.
It may well be the case that the Nets pick would be only losing in value from now on.

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@Cheesio

George and Butler are not in Kyrie's class at their respective positions.

Also, the way the NBA cap works, the Celtics could not have made a big trade, involving a big-contract player (e.g. Butler, George, Kyrie, etc), before getting Hayward on a max free-agent deal.
Had they traded for Butler/George before getting Hayward, they would have lost their cap space and would not have been able to get Hayward.

Also, Chicago was rumored to had asked for the Celtics 3rd pick (which they used for Tatum) on top of the 2018 Nets pick. Even without the issues with the Hayward timeline, there was no way Boston would have paid such a price.

If anything, I would say the Pacers messed-up by off-loading George when they did. Had they waited for Boston to first sign Hayward, maybe Boston would have been more willing to deal that Nets pick for George. Instead, the Pacers got close to garbage in return.

 

[Osman]

Kevin Durant apparently has a secret twitter account which he uses to defend himself, and he forgot to switch between accounts today
[video=twitter;909773195573686275]https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/909773195573686275[/video]

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Maybe some Juve players are Tuz members

Hahahaha, no way is that real, come on Kevin

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[Cheesio]

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@Cheesio

George and Butler are not in Kyrie's class at their respective positions.

Also, the way the NBA cap works, the Celtics could not have made a big trade, involving a big-contract player (e.g. Butler, George, Kyrie, etc), before getting Hayward on a max free-agent deal.
Had they traded for Butler/George before getting Hayward, they would have lost their cap space and would not have been able to get Hayward.

Also, Chicago was rumored to had asked for the Celtics 3rd pick (which they used for Tatum) on top of the 2018 Nets pick. Even without the issues with the Hayward timeline, there was no way Boston would have paid such a price.

If anything, I would say the Pacers messed-up by off-loading George when they did. Had they waited for Boston to first sign Hayward, maybe Boston would have been more willing to deal that Nets pick for George. Instead, the Pacers got close to garbage in return.

I disagree, George and Butler are better all around players than Kyrie, and how many SG and SF are better than these two ? on the top of my head it would be Lebron, KD, Harden,Kawhi,Klay ( ? ).
Kyrie is not better than Paul, Steph, WB, and Wall is at least as good as him if you take the two sides of the floor with being a much betetr passer.
I like Kyrie, but unless he decides to try on defence, be a playmaker and make players around him better, he is not better than George or Butler and Production wise he wasn't that much better than Isiah last year, in fact the latter was better if you look at att the stats.
Both are pretty horrible defensively with Kyrie being ranked 28 on 30 starting PGs, only two behind him are IT and D Rose.

I get why Boston did this deal, they didn't want to pay Isiah next year and rightfull so, but IMO they overpayed, and this deal is not making them beat the Cavs with Bron.

 

[Ronn]

Hahahaha, no way is that real, come on Kevin

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First thing popped into my mind was whether or not we have any Juve player here in Tuz.

 

[acmilan]

I disagree, George and Butler are better all around players than Kyrie, and how many SG and SF are better than these two ? on the top of my head it would be Lebron, KD, Harden,Kawhi,Klay ( ? ).
Kyrie is not better than Paul, Steph, WB, and Wall is at least as good as him if you take the two sides of the floor with being a much betetr passer.
I like Kyrie, but unless he decides to try on defence, be a playmaker and make players around him better, he is not better than George or Butler and Production wise he wasn't that much better than Isiah last year, in fact the latter was better if you look at att the stats.
Both are pretty horrible defensively with Kyrie being ranked 28 on 30 starting PGs, only two behind him are IT and D Rose.

I get why Boston did this deal, they didn't want to pay Isiah next year and rightfull so, but IMO they overpayed, and this deal is not making them beat the Cavs with Bron.

You still don't seem to understand the difference between being the unquestioned #1 stat black-hole on a team and a #2 - of course Butler's, George's and IT's stats will be superior, in one way or another, to Kyrie's.

Last year was an aberration in IT's career, yet you and many others keep treating it as the norm for a player who is well into his prime. Same goes for Butler and George. Kyrie is yet to even enter his prime years.

Regarding IT, his hip seems to be a chronic issue in the sense that, while he may heal given enough time, it is just a matter of time before the issue reappears again. In short, IT is damaged goods making him, as well as Crowder and Zizic, a throw-in - the trade was really Kyrie for that Nets pick, the players, including IT, were make-weight.

Unlike IT, Kyrie can actually play defense and be very good at it. The problem is he's been inconsistent in his effort but he also had never played on a Brad Stevens team, so time will tell how that goes.
Something to always keep in mind regarding Kyrie, as it was probably the biggest reason why Celtics made this trade - Kyrie, unlike IT, George, Butler, is yet to enter his prime and still developing as a player.

That Brooklyn pick, assuming it ends up being high enough and doesn't turn out to be a bust (two significant assumptions), would yield a difference maker at Kyrie's level in 5-6 years from now. And that's the best-case scenario ...

 

[zizinho]

Hahahaha, no way is that real, come on Kevin

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there is a chance he was trolling, maybe he was bored or just wanted to mock those fanboys who whine about their heroes having no help. i refuse to believe hes that stupid, or that he has any need to defend himself from kids on twitter