The Mod Thread ("because for some reason,you think we actually care") (19 Viewers)

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GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
70,937
Then why ban on pure guess or whim? Thats reckless and leads to innocent regular posters getting banned because of paranoia, leads to scaring away new posters from the forum if this becomes the norm. IP checks and reading behaviour in terms of similarity with banned posters/othe regulars is least one can expect (they arent Einsteins, they give themselves away eventually), over rash unfair banning others who have no reason to be suspected of being double accounts, except for low post account? Seriously flawed way to go about it.


Also seriously, I realize there's nuances to trolling that one needs to look out for, but infracting or banning for opinions is over the top. I would NOT be infracted for talking about Allegri and Conte like that guy did, regular stuff, so why should a new guy just becuase he has low post account? Its more prudent to act in moderating capacity with guidance from rules, aka insults/provocative/instigating or just down right heinous comments. But infracting for opinions and then also infracting for questioning said (lack of) reasons one got it shouldnt be reason enough to dole out even further.

Defenitely lots of jackass posters here who are childish and try or tried to be sly in their trolling by pushing buttons constantly (that used to be allowed or let slide because mods were too chummy with most offenders). And most of them have been dealt with very well and shown the boundary and that no one is untouchable, done mostly by you. Less of spamming/immature cesspool then it used to be.

But now examples like this is more and more noticeable around here and it derails some of the top work you did when it becomes more common posters get censored/banned for simply questionning or sharing an opinion? I know its easier to just assume the worst and react quickly, but it gets in too much of murky waters when instead of following/acting out on the set rules, instead go with "better safe then sorry" harsh overboard approach like this. Becomes pure subjective censorship thats bound to turn uglier and uglier IMO.


Just my 2 cents. Which I'm giving you since you arent paid enough :D
You do realize the infraction was not for that post right? Also show me one poster who has been banned for their opinion. Out of a 100 people with 100 posts over 4 years with a recent flurry of incidiary posts in the live thread, how many do you think are legit? Your 2 cents lack context and practicality, friendo
 

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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,575
You do realize the infraction was not for that post right? Also show me one poster who has been banned for their opinion. Out of a 100 people with 100 posts over 4 years with a recent flurry of incidiary posts in the live thread, how many do you think are legit? Your 2 cents lack context and practicality, friendo
Directly banned less so, but when they accumulate infractions for senseless simple posts, yeah then it becomes a worrisome trend, one thats been increasingly noticeable (and one I heard from several regular posters here lately).

If you have 100 posts in over 4 years, that makes you non legit? Not a Juventino who hasnt been posting but just visiting or awol? Example, between 2002 and 2008 I had 100 posts, how much do I have now? The trolls are likely to be newly signed up, and very easy to spot when they start to insult/sign up during big games and are likely opponent fans. But 100 plus posts in over many years, you kidding if you think this is suspicious on its own? Neither is just signing and posting.


So you didnt infract him for that Conte-Allegri post, and you didnt infract him for insults in his post in this thread despite there being any insults?
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
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Directly banned less so, but when they accumulate infractions for senseless simple posts, yeah then it becomes a worrisome trend, one thats been increasingly noticeable (and one I heard from several regular posters here lately).

If you have 100 posts in over 4 years, that makes you non legit? Not a Juventino who hasnt been posting but just visiting or awol? Example, between 2002 and 2008 I had 100 posts, how much do I have now? The trolls are likely to be newly signed up, and very easy to spot when they start to insult/sign up during big games and are likely opponent fans. But 100 plus posts in over many years, you kidding if you think this is suspicious on its own? Neither is just signing and posting.


So you didnt infract him for that Conte-Allegri post, and you didnt infract him for insults in his post in this thread despite there being any insults?
Example?

Me being a mod doesn't mean i have to take abuse or denigrating just as i would give infraction for same speech directed towards you or anyone else.
 
Jul 2, 2006
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You defenitely deserve your bans, even if become bit personal between you and him later on.
You don't know the posts that caused straight bans but saying something just for sake of it. This is the most polite way to describe your post.

Long term assessment of behavior? Im not paid enough for that.
Aren't you the one who is paying? Because this is the answer people get from the other moderators when they are asked to undo the mess you have been causing for a long time.
 

Marty

tuz
Administrator
Jul 2, 2005
16,992
This is actually hilarious from the administrators though, have you just completely lost all control of this guy? :lol2: If he donates a lot of money which keeps this place running, fair enough. Otherwise, what are you doing? I had to read some pages in this thread to find a post of his to reply to, and in the process found a lot of posters complaining about him just being entirely indiscriminate with the banning powers. At least two of them had +10k posts and mentioned "the old mods" implying that they've been here for a while, so clearly it's not just me who has an issue with him.

To use his genius reasoning - if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's probably some guy in a basement who is power tripping over the internet equivalent of the authority felt by a mall security guard. Get it sorted, @Marty
Noone is getting paid for anything. The mods don't get paid by me and I don't get paid by anyone, apart from the odd donation. And it costs a lot more than that to run the site obviously but who cares about that? Well I care of course and so do many others. I don't know why money has anything to do with it anyway. It's about how the rules are written, how they are being followed and what happens if you don't.

BTW probably 95% of the warnings are because people insult the management, team, players or other members here. How about just not doing that? Not saying everyone needs to get along but a line has to be drawn.
 

Hængebøffer

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2009
25,185
Noone is getting paid for anything. The mods don't get paid by me and I don't get paid by anyone, apart from the odd donation. And it costs a lot more than that to run the site obviously but who cares about that? Well I care of course and so do many others. I don't know why money has anything to do with it anyway. It's about how the rules are written, how they are being followed and what happens if you don't.

BTW probably 95% of the warnings are because people insult the management, team, players or other members here. How about just not doing that? Not saying everyone needs to get along but a line has to be drawn.
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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
24,157
Noone is getting paid for anything. The mods don't get paid by me and I don't get paid by anyone, apart from the odd donation. And it costs a lot more than that to run the site obviously but who cares about that? Well I care of course and so do many others. I don't know why money has anything to do with it anyway. It's about how the rules are written, how they are being followed and what happens if you don't.

BTW probably 95% of the warnings are because people insult the management, team, players or other members here. How about just not doing that? Not saying everyone needs to get along but a line has to be drawn.
I get this, but that guy wasn't banned for any of the things you mentioned. Not the first time someone complains about X's moderating here btw.

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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,575
Example?

Me being a mod doesn't mean i have to take abuse or denigrating just as i would give infraction for same speech directed towards you or anyone else.
You banned him for being double account for a month, he isnt one is he? And he questions this understandably confounding decision, and is met with what? Derision and dismissal? Ofcourse he gets annoyed, but on this thread alone, he didnt insult you, he questionned the very decision, and the rebuttal was not reasons or arguments for the decision or what rules were broken, but instead is more infraction for....having an opposing opinion? There is not a fine line between insult and critique. And you talk about abuse but how isnt it questionable to get banned for a month accused of being double account with no basis given? His "denigrating" reaction wouldnt be there if there was a sensibly valid reason given for the ban. Instead of earning more infractions just for speaking up? It doesnt sound so complicated as you make it sound like. Yes a forum is dictatorship, even that has limits, there oughta be an amount of fairness and reason to it all.


May I ask whats even the point of this thread if not for issues like this? Besides repeating the same hilarious mistakes like unbanning RUS for the upteenth time lol.
 
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