The Lebanese political crisis!!! (30 Viewers)
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I understand that this is directed to me & Juventus710...
I can tell you that you wrote a very long post about the danger of the Palestinians in Lebanese camps in this thread, but you wanted nobody to deny what you were claiming there...
Do whatever you want...
Personally, I don't care about all the Lebanese politicians...
What I care about is that you don't put your sins on the Palestinians there, just because you don't really know whom to blame in the current issue...
You can throw yourselves between the Israeli hands...I really don't care...
If somebody lacks values, there is no point in trying to plant them in his head...
I can tell you that you wrote a very long post about the danger of the Palestinians in Lebanese camps in this thread, but you wanted nobody to deny what you were claiming there...
Do whatever you want...
Personally, I don't care about all the Lebanese politicians...
What I care about is that you don't put your sins on the Palestinians there, just because you don't really know whom to blame in the current issue...
You can throw yourselves between the Israeli hands...I really don't care...
If somebody lacks values, there is no point in trying to plant them in his head...
As long as you understand what I am getting at, then I am happy. The current political environment is irrelevent.
And about those empires, I never looked into it, but historically speaking how where the people descending from these empires after a 100 years of their downfall? I bet they were restless, and trying to hold on to something that doesn't really exist.
But in the Arab sitution now (maybe I am holding on something that doesn't exist
), Arabs have all the resources to become a superpower. Money, minds, labor...etc. What we are missing is unity, organization, positive thinking, constructive attitude....
And about those empires, I never looked into it, but historically speaking how where the people descending from these empires after a 100 years of their downfall? I bet they were restless, and trying to hold on to something that doesn't really exist.
But in the Arab sitution now (maybe I am holding on something that doesn't exist
), Arabs have all the resources to become a superpower. Money, minds, labor...etc. What we are missing is unity, organization, positive thinking, constructive attitude....
But in the Arab sitution now (maybe I am holding on something that doesn't exist), Arabs have all the resources to become a superpower. Money, minds, labor...etc. What we are missing is unity, organization, positive thinking, constructive attitude....
), Arabs have all the resources to become a superpower. Money, minds, labor...etc. What we are missing is unity, organization, positive thinking, constructive attitude....
I mean, could you imagine how badass something like the E.U. could be if they didn't organize like, well, Europe?
Rami said:
As long as you understand what I am getting at, then I am happy. The current political environment is irrelevent.
And about those empires, I never looked into it, but historically speaking how where the people descending from these empires after a 100 years of their downfall? I bet they were restless, and trying to hold on to something that doesn't really exist.
But in the Arab sitution now (maybe I am holding on something that doesn't exist), Arabs have all the resources to become a superpower. Money, minds, labor...etc. What we are missing is unity, organization, positive thinking, constructive attitude....
And about those empires, I never looked into it, but historically speaking how where the people descending from these empires after a 100 years of their downfall? I bet they were restless, and trying to hold on to something that doesn't really exist.
But in the Arab sitution now (maybe I am holding on something that doesn't exist
), Arabs have all the resources to become a superpower. Money, minds, labor...etc. What we are missing is unity, organization, positive thinking, constructive attitude....
Rami u make perfect sense and i honeslty respect and share the same opinion but i am afraid this wont happen not in the coming decade at least. the reason is not normal people like u, me and the other millions of arabs in the region, its because of several other reasons that include:
1- unfortunetly we arabs hate each other a great deal and enjoy arguing with each other
2- each country in the region has set an oppisite goal from its neighboring country just for the sake of not uniting together at times like this ( the most recent being the current war on iraq)
3- its not in the benefit of the super powers that arabs wake up and unite together thats why we have issues between each and every country whether they r internal issues like sudan or external issues like for example syria and lebanon at the moment.
i still share yr point of view i think its right on, and if the european countries managed to put history, and there differences behind and came up with the european union which is growing stronger and stronger with each day then i am sure we arabs can pull the same thing we just need to realize that its our only solution to gather up the bits of pride we have left ( if we still have pride that is)
i read earllier a post by rebel regarding peace treaties and what countries like jordan and eygpt benefited from it well i think here is the answer from my point of view being a citzen of a country that has a peace treaty with isreal.
first of all i think it was a right decision that we did have the peace treaty rebel bec lets be honest here isreal is a reality that we need to face and accept. nassers policy of throwing isreal back in the sea is long gone now and we need to get over it. isreal now is a super power in the region and its alot stronger than all arab countries combined in each and every aspect of life from there miilitary capabilities down to there transportation system. its a sad reality i agree but thats reality that we need to accept.
i agree with u that the benefits to isreal from the peace treaty are much more important and of greater value than those eygpt has gained but at the end of the day eygpt has restored full control on its land once again. we arabs specialy people who are against this treaty in specific the camp david peace treaty always tend to forget the reasons why eypgt had to go with the peace solution rather than continuing there war with isreal in 1973. u see when eygpt decieded to cease fire they did so bec it was no longer a war between eygpt and isreal instead it had changed into a war between eygpt and the United States who were bcking up isreal with all there power making it an unbalanced war, and dont think that the soviets would've stood with eygpt thats all talk we would've seen them make a move but they never did and eygpt was left to deal with this on its own, so to get things clear eygpt did not do this because we r traitors or bec we wanted to betray the syrians, palestinans and arabs as a whole, no we did this bec this is the logical progress of a win in a battle.
when eygpt did go, they kept on convincing the rest of the arab countries to come along so we can sort the issue once and for all but offcourse the arabs refused and eygpt was labeled as a traitor country and we were kicked out of the arab league u guys know the rest of the story. if the arabs did come i strongly believe we would've gained more from isreal than what we r trying to get from it at the moment.
as for lebanon well i think they should have full control over there own land just like any independant country, i discovered recently that the lebanese prime minster was approved from three countries in the region Syria, Saudi arabia, and Eygpt. i think this has to change cos after all lebanon has its own people to deciede whats best for them not the other way round.
i disagree with all the attacks on hezboAllah i think they played a major role in retriving lebanons occupied land but i honestly think it should've stopped at that point and they should'nt have involved any further with the interior politics of lebanon, neither the capturing of isreali soliders cos we all so the out comes of this. once again if syria andiran did care where were they when lebanon was bombed day in and day ot for a complete month.
i under stand why there is so much concern over lebanon. lets not forget that lebanon is the only left front along with the syrian front that oppose the isreali's but once again its not a reaosn for syrian and iranian interest. syria already has its own front that has been dead since 1973 if u want a war with isreal then i think syria should do so from its on land and not from its nieghboring country i think its fair that lebanese people have some peace, as they have seen the worest out comes of war.
i hope no one feels offended by this post, i am only reflecting my own personal opinion of how i feel towards all of this and i am open for debates and its known that i respect other opinions.
You don't care about the Lebanese Politicians yet you judge who's good and who's bad politician in our country. weird eh?
I actually didn't open any topic about the Palestinians, Rhizoid did mention something about Christian Lebanese leaders and I had to prove my point.
It seems that you don't really know about the Palestinian refugees in our country, I think It would be better for you to stick in Jerusalem and Gaza.
You keep on talking about the Israeli's murdering this and that, kidnaping here and there, raping, stealing etc, I wonder how would you feel If Lebanese refugees would be in your country carring weapons and doing dirty things.
Would you really like that? But then of course you have no clue of what's going in Lebanon, so like I said stick in Palestine not in Lebanon. Por favor
About throwing my self into Israeli hands, thats Indeed up to me and my gov.
Ok, Azzurri...
Seeing that you say that all the responsibility is on the Palestinians in Lebanon, could you please tell me what they can do to look better to you??
1- The people in camps were not armed after the resistants have left Lebanon in 80s, and you know what the christian gangs and Amal party did to them exploiting their armless situation. Don't tell me that they should throw their arms and give them to the Lebanese army, because all of us know that that army is a big joke that can't protect itself... We all saw how they received the Israeli army in their camp during the latest war, and they didn't do anything except making tea for the occupiers... If they throw their arms, they will suffer more massacres because of the hatred between the christians to them since they moved to Lebanon...(Don't tell me that Lebanese christians hate palestinians there because of things done by those Palestinians. Maybe, it increased the tension, but the first reason was that just because the palestinian population whan moving to Lebanon affected the christian percentage in the country and they are still scared that if the Palestinians will stay there, they will be a minority and lose their positions in the state...
2- If you want them to go back to Palestine, how can that happen??
-Peacefully, we tried the peaceful approach, and Israel is not ready at all to discuss the file of the refugees...
-Using resistance: we all know how no Palestinian can shoot a bullet from the Lebanese borders, and I understand that because Lebanese in the south have suffered enough...
3- If you want them to get the lebanese nationality, neither them nor Lebanese will agree because that will delete their dream of coming back to their homecountry & will affect the sectorial percentages in that country...
4- I know that many of them are immigrating to North & South America & Australia, so it will be good for all the parties to facilitate that...
5- In the end, you know that the normal Palestinian person doesn't have greeds in the Lebanese lands itself, but he has no another place to go, and he has to protect himself from those who want a small chance to get his head in his camp...
Seeing that you say that all the responsibility is on the Palestinians in Lebanon, could you please tell me what they can do to look better to you??
1- The people in camps were not armed after the resistants have left Lebanon in 80s, and you know what the christian gangs and Amal party did to them exploiting their armless situation. Don't tell me that they should throw their arms and give them to the Lebanese army, because all of us know that that army is a big joke that can't protect itself... We all saw how they received the Israeli army in their camp during the latest war, and they didn't do anything except making tea for the occupiers... If they throw their arms, they will suffer more massacres because of the hatred between the christians to them since they moved to Lebanon...(Don't tell me that Lebanese christians hate palestinians there because of things done by those Palestinians. Maybe, it increased the tension, but the first reason was that just because the palestinian population whan moving to Lebanon affected the christian percentage in the country and they are still scared that if the Palestinians will stay there, they will be a minority and lose their positions in the state...
2- If you want them to go back to Palestine, how can that happen??
-Peacefully, we tried the peaceful approach, and Israel is not ready at all to discuss the file of the refugees...
-Using resistance: we all know how no Palestinian can shoot a bullet from the Lebanese borders, and I understand that because Lebanese in the south have suffered enough...
3- If you want them to get the lebanese nationality, neither them nor Lebanese will agree because that will delete their dream of coming back to their homecountry & will affect the sectorial percentages in that country...
4- I know that many of them are immigrating to North & South America & Australia, so it will be good for all the parties to facilitate that...
5- In the end, you know that the normal Palestinian person doesn't have greeds in the Lebanese lands itself, but he has no another place to go, and he has to protect himself from those who want a small chance to get his head in his camp...
Excellent point! And the fact that he's using Nasrallah as a propoganda tool and every Shia believe his bullshit and are singing "GENERAL!!" is also hilarious.
Sorry if I sound selfish, but all I want from this government is the peace of mind that I have a steady job that can help me build for my future and that maybe one day when i start a family i can take care of them. I know these are selfish aspirations and are unheard of but excuse me if I'm sick of politicians having an influence on the way my life goes.
And don't get me started with Arabs. Their leaders are the most hypocritical liars and sleazeballs to ever exist. They talk about how they care for the Palestinian cause and their people. Fvck that shit, I'm a Palestinian, I've graduated from one of the best universities in the region and nothing diffrentiates me from the people i graduated with except that my passport is a little different. I got a very good job offer in Saudi with a great starting salary. I was very excited to start my career. You would think a "fellow" arab with a good degree should have no problem finding a job EHHHHH!!!! WRONG!!!! My visa was rejected 3 FVCKING times because i'm Palestinian, while my very good friend who has the lebanese passport was granted a visa to the very same company. Apparently I'm not allowed to enter Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan, and Egypt!!!! And they talk about Arab solidarity.
Oh just to add, my mother is Lebanese and I'm not allowed to get the Lebanese passport.
I'm sick and tired of running my life by the political agenda of the a$$hole who was chosen to represent me.
And one more thing:
If you live outside Lebanon, you have no right to say that Hizballah are doing the right thing! When Hizballah allow the country to be destroyed, you have no right to talk because its us who live in the country who have to live with the consequences. It's very easy to support a raging bull in a glasshouse as long as youre not in that glasshouse. You have no right to say that the protests are justified when it is us who have to live in absolute horror 24/7. If Saniora and Harriri are gonna bring foreign Investment into the country and create more jobs for me and others then sorry for being selfish but it's pretty obvious where my support will go!
Sorry if I sound selfish, but all I want from this government is the peace of mind that I have a steady job that can help me build for my future and that maybe one day when i start a family i can take care of them. I know these are selfish aspirations and are unheard of but excuse me if I'm sick of politicians having an influence on the way my life goes.
And don't get me started with Arabs. Their leaders are the most hypocritical liars and sleazeballs to ever exist. They talk about how they care for the Palestinian cause and their people. Fvck that shit, I'm a Palestinian, I've graduated from one of the best universities in the region and nothing diffrentiates me from the people i graduated with except that my passport is a little different. I got a very good job offer in Saudi with a great starting salary. I was very excited to start my career. You would think a "fellow" arab with a good degree should have no problem finding a job EHHHHH!!!! WRONG!!!! My visa was rejected 3 FVCKING times because i'm Palestinian, while my very good friend who has the lebanese passport was granted a visa to the very same company. Apparently I'm not allowed to enter Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan, and Egypt!!!! And they talk about Arab solidarity.
Oh just to add, my mother is Lebanese and I'm not allowed to get the Lebanese passport.
I'm sick and tired of running my life by the political agenda of the a$$hole who was chosen to represent me.
And one more thing:
If you live outside Lebanon, you have no right to say that Hizballah are doing the right thing! When Hizballah allow the country to be destroyed, you have no right to talk because its us who live in the country who have to live with the consequences. It's very easy to support a raging bull in a glasshouse as long as youre not in that glasshouse. You have no right to say that the protests are justified when it is us who have to live in absolute horror 24/7. If Saniora and Harriri are gonna bring foreign Investment into the country and create more jobs for me and others then sorry for being selfish but it's pretty obvious where my support will go!