The Lebanese political crisis!!! (25 Viewers)

[Ahmedios]

But don't you think it is so hard to achieve it, Ahmed??

People now are not those who lived during Abdelnaser's era...Today's people don't really care about their roots. They care about how much they will get out of the unity thing...

I don't blame them though...

You know mate, I feel sick when I realise that abstract fact. I have nothing to do with it, I know I'll change nothing and I'm living a dream, I'm trying as possible as I can to wake up.

Sorry, I'm not going to speak about that again.

 

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[Azzurri7]

What a comment! :eyebrows:

I'm not here to convince anyone about anything, I said it before. Maybe you think that I'm just saying some words which are usually said during demonstrations, it is up to you at the end though. :dontcare:

We've seen what Arabs have offered us before. A good relation wouldn't be bad but never unity.

I'd like to make unity with the west though.

 

[Ahmedios]

We've seen what Arabs have offered us before. A good relation wouldn't be bad but never unity.

I'd like to make unity with the west though.

It is my fault, just check my last post, if you're interested.

Unity or not, I want nothing. I just want to live in peace, I've stopped reading about politics and discussing it since the last March, I don't know why I returned to take part in endless debates like these ones. I'm not saying that the political debate itself isn't beneficial but the problem is me, of course, not anyone of you.

Continue your discussion, lads. int:

 

[Slagathor]

We've seen what Arabs have offered us before. A good relation wouldn't be bad but never unity.

I'd like to make unity with the west though.

On that note: Israel seems (over the past decades) to be warming towards EU membership which wouldn't be a problem except for one little issue: the EU doesn't accept new member states who are at war at the time of entry/request to entry.

They're already in UEFA so why not I guess

In that regard I would advise Lebanon to stay close to Israel and possibly subsequently (in the future) stay close to Europe.

 

[Azzurri7]

On that note: Israel seems (over the past decades) to be warming towards EU membership which wouldn't be a problem except for one little issue: the EU doesn't accept new member states who are at war at the time of entry/request to entry.

Interesting. So you mean the only way they can be accepted is when they solve the Israeli-Palestine issue right?

In that regard I would advise Lebanon to stay close to Israel and possibly subsequently (in the future) stay close to Europe.

Exactly, thats what I've been saying.... I'd like to have a close relationship with Israel just like any other Arab country, I'd like the relation to be like the Egypt-Israeli one or Jordan-Israeli one. This way we'll solve a big problem in the middle-east, not to also mention that having a good relation with Israel will mean having a good relation with the west.

EU is probably the most important thing happening ATM.

 

[Slagathor]

Interesting. So you mean the only way they can be accepted is when they solve the Israeli-Palestine issue right?

Yes. A nation is eligible to join the European Union if it meets three criteria:

• Geography (not applicable, Israel is officially qualified as an exception for cultural and other reasons)
• Economics (Israel already meets all economic standards as modern wealthy nation)
• Politics. This is where it gets tricky. In order to join the European Union, Israel would have to solve the conflicts on the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza strip and East Jerusalem which the European Union recognises as respectively Syrian and Palestinian territories: any EU candidate may not be an occupying power.
  It also means Israel must sign several treaties concerning Democracy, Rule of Law, Human Rights and Respect and Protection of Minorities.

Obviously the treaties on Human Rights and Resepct and Protection of Minorities, as well as the untolerated status of "occupying force" would, if applied, completely remodel the situation in the Middle East.

The EU has already promised Israel it can become a member if it signs a peace treaty with the Palestinians that meets certain criteria.

At the same time: Israel stands to gain a lot from EU membership. Its economy would flourish, so would the tourism sector. And with the EU being a confederal entity (in essence), Israel would be safe from Arab invasions that have taken place in the past because invading Israel as an EU member state, is the equivalent of invading France, Germany, the UK, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands etc etc etc and I doubt any Arab regime would be dumb enough to try that.

Exactly, thats what I've been saying.... I'd like to have a close relationship with Israel just like any other Arab country, I'd like the relation to be like the Egypt-Israeli one or Jordan-Israeli one. This way we'll solve a big problem in the middle-east, not to also mention that having a good relation with Israel will mean having a good relation with the west.

I would welcome that.

 

[Martin]

• Politics. This is where it gets tricky. In order to join the European Union, Israel would have to solve the conflicts on the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza strip and East Jerusalem which the European Union recognises as respectively Syrian and Palestinian territories: any EU candidate may not be an occupying power.
  It also means Israel must sign several treaties concerning Democracy, Rule of Law, Human Rights and Respect and Protection of Minorities.

Wait, you mean they would have to split off and no longer be one of the United States?

 

[Slagathor]

Wait, you mean they would have to split off and no longer be one of the United States?

Yes, they would have to settle for being European (can you picture the Republicans groan? )

 

[Snoop]

This is the 50012th time I say that nobody forces her to wear whatever she wants, but she has to respect the traditions and norms. That doesn't mean that she has to wear Hijab, though...

what you mean by "she has to"? what if she doesn't? she doesn't have to wear Hijab alright, but would you let your wife wear a Bikini? and what If she does?

What a comment! :eyebrows:

I'm not here to convince anyone about anything, I said it before. Maybe you think that I'm just saying some words which are usually said during demonstrations, it is up to you at the end though. :dontcare:

The last time his country asked for a hand from an arabic country ("Sister"), that hand raped his country for over 2 decades, so I understand him If he rejects any help or unity with other Arab Countries..

 

[ReBeL]

what you mean by "she has to"? what if she doesn't? she doesn't have to wear Hijab alright, but would you let your wife wear a Bikini? and what If she does?

Why would I marry a girl whose ethics are not compatible with my beliefs??

 

[Falafel]

I don't know about that, I think there is no god.

that's a shocker
ßömßärdîër actually thinks

 

[GordoDeCentral]

On that note: Israel seems (over the past decades) to be warming towards EU membership which wouldn't be a problem except for one little issue: the EU doesn't accept new member states who are at war at the time of entry/request to entry.

They're already in UEFA so why not I guess

In that regard I would advise Lebanon to stay close to Israel and possibly subsequently (in the future) stay close to Europe.

how ironic, Israel was created purely for the jew to leave europe; conversely europeans helped them to rid europe of jews- oh sorry that wasnt too PC i meant to solve the jewish problem

 

[JCK]

Arab Unity is impossible...

With the leaders at hand, yes it is impossible.

Because, according to your profile, you don't live inside the Arabic world itself.

I said before that it is an old fashioned ideology and my country (Egypt) was the first one to buy the Arabian case and has kept losing its Arabian identity since the 70's of the last century. Even though, I'm proud to say that it is my ideology.

I am 32 years old and I have lived in Lebanon until I was 28, my current location counts for nothing and me leaving the country has nothing to do with politics, economics or anything of the like.

that's a shocker
ßömßärdîër actually thinks

:faq1:

 

[Ahmedios]

The last time his country asked for a hand from an arabic country ("Sister"), that hand raped his country for over 2 decades, so I understand him If he rejects any help or unity with other Arab Countries..

Snoop, your roots are from Armenia, Turkey and Syria and you live in Syria. What do you consider yourself?

I agree with him as well. Every Arabic should just care about his country and his people, what is more, the word "Arab" should be vanished, as it has no meaning now according to your opinions. The Egyptian is the one who lives in Egypt and the Lebanese is the one who lives in Lebanon, etc.... and the other countries (which are supposed to be Arabic) should go to hell. Every country should solve its problems by itself even if they have to lose their identity (in case that they admit that they have an identity in origin). Anyways, I don't care, Viva Globalisation.

Ironically, I'm still talking with the same people who have failed to unite in the previous 1000 years. Am I the one who think that I can even make them unite in just an internet form? I confess I'm just a tool.

Enjoy your life, lads. :thumbs:

I am 32 years old and I have lived in Lebanon until I was 28, my current location counts for nothing and me leaving the country has nothing to do with politics, economics or anything of the like.

I just want to ask you a couple of questions:

1) Is your viewpoint represent most of Lebanese who live in Lebanon Or the Lebanese who live abroad?
2) Does your opinion in Nationalism reflect the Christian Lebanese, Muslim Lebanese, both, none of them or just one of them and why?

 

[JCK]

I just want to ask you a couple of questions:

1) Is your viewpoint represent most of Lebanese who live in Lebanon Or the Lebanese who live abroad?
2) Does your opinion in Nationalism reflect the Christian Lebanese, Muslim Lebanese, both, none of them or just one of them and why?

What viewpoint are you talking about?

I didn't understand your second question.

 

[Azzurri7]

It's official.

There will be demonstrations on the February the 14th. Samir Geagea announced that on LBC. A great move from 14th of march to salut a big leader like Hariri.

Saad, Rafik's son, will have a talk on LBC on the 13th of February one day before they demonstare, he'll surely give a big call for his supporters.

 

[Ahmedios]

What viewpoint are you talking about?

I didn't understand your second question.

Regarding Nationalism, you said that you don't care about such an issue. So my question is: does your opinion reflect the ideology of the Lebanese people?

Note: When I say Lebanese people, I do mean both Muslims and Christians Lebanese.

 

[Azzurri7]

Regarding Nationalism, you said that you don't care about such an issue. So my question is: does your opinion reflect the ideology of the Lebanese people?

More than 55% of the Lebanese people.

 

[JCK]

I said I don't care about the Arab nationalism, but when it comes to Lebanon I always want the best for the country.

 

[Ahmedios]

More than 55% of the Lebanese people.

Source.

I said I don't care about the Arab nationalism, but when it comes to Lebanon I always want the best for the country.

The same though here, I want the best for all the Arabic countries though .