The Lebanese political crisis!!! (7 Viewers)

Jun 13, 2007
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Because it's a hopeless case that consumes a lot of my energy and nothing will ever happen.
I'm not optimistic, and it's not like a government overhaul hasn't been done before, but there is something different in that for once there's a unifying cause. Sure, some of demonstrators are there for political reasons, and to stir shit up, but there are thousands of people who dedicated to putting an end to this joke of a government for human reasons, not for religion, not for hezb "insert color", and not for "insert name" beik.

And yes, it's not about the politicians in government now. When they leave, other equally corrupt, incompetent members will replace them. This is a given, and I think this is why the only way we can expect real change in the country in the long run, and I mean a cure, and not a temporary treatment for some symptoms, is if the people decide they've had enough. No doubt this will create short term turmoil, and economic stagnation, but in the long run if this country is to even have a future, it will be by putting an end to this system. By starting from scratch, and rewriting everything.

I don't know if there's enough resolve in the country for that to happen, or even whether there is enough anger, but I sure hope there is.
 

king Ale

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I'm not optimistic, and it's not like a government overhaul hasn't been done before, but there is something different in that for once there's a unifying cause. Sure, some of demonstrators are there for political reasons, and to stir shit up, but there are thousands of people who dedicated to putting an end to this joke of a government for human reasons, not for religion, not for hezb "insert color", and not for "insert name" beik.

And yes, it's not about the politicians in government now. When they leave, other equally corrupt, incompetent members will replace them. This is a given, and I think this is why the only way we can expect real change in the country in the long run, and I mean a cure, and not a temporary treatment for some symptoms, is if the people decide they've had enough. No doubt this will create short term turmoil, and economic stagnation, but in the long run if this country is to even have a future, it will be by putting an end to this system. By starting from scratch, and rewriting everything.

I don't know if there's enough resolve in the country for that to happen, or even whether there is enough anger, but I sure hope there is.
I don't know much about the situation in Lebanon, but for the sake of your people and your country (and this is of course only my opinion), I hope that never happens. The region is currently extremely unstable, everyone from those small extremist groups to the world powers is looking for their own interests and following their own agendas and what matters the least is people. I sincerely hope Lebanon doesn't get involved in the shit that is taking over the middle-east. Why not modifying the current system (and yours is far from the dictatorship in Egypt or Syria) instead of putting an end to it? I believe nothing is written better if started from the scratch because then everyone (even those who have genuinely helped putting an end to a previous malfunctioning system) will have their own versions of what should be written and how. It never had a happy end in Iran, nor in Egypt and Libya, and it evidently won't in Syria. Hope your people don't go down that road.
 

Azzurri7

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I don't know much about the situation in Lebanon, but for the sake of your people and your country (and this is of course only my opinion), I hope that never happens. The region is currently extremely unstable, everyone from those small extremist groups to the world powers is looking for their own interests and following their own agendas and what matters the least is people. I sincerely hope Lebanon doesn't get involved in the shit that is taking over the middle-east. Why not modifying the current system (and yours is far from the dictatorship in Egypt or Syria) instead of putting an end to it? I believe nothing is written better if started from the scratch because then everyone (even those who have genuinely helped putting an end to a previous malfunctioning system) will have their own versions of what should be written and how. It never had a happy end in Iran, nor in Egypt and Libya, and it evidently won't in Syria. Hope your people don't go down that road.
Unfortunately only Hezbolla are involved in the foreign chaos and I think sooner or later they will find their way back because they've consumed almost everything they have with no results or positive feedback on the ground from the Syrian conflict.

As for the change, it's the system we want to change, it's risky but looking for a change was about time, it's no dictatorship like you said but it's Mafia, literally ruled by Mafia.

There are extremely slim chances we'll go in the same route Egypt Libya and Syria went to, and the people we want in power are the exactly type of people that will isolate themselves from what's going on in the middle east. But then again, the odds of getting rid of the current politicians are pretty big.
 
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    Unfortunately only Hezbolla are involved in the foreign chaos and I think sooner or later they will find their way back because they've consumed almost everything they have with no results or positive feedback on the ground from the Syrian conflict.

    As for the change, it's the system we want to change, it's risky but looking for a change was about time, it's no dictatorship like you said but it's Mafia, literally ruled by Mafia.

    There are extremely slim chances we'll go in the same route Egypt Libya and Syria went to, and the people we want in power are the exactly type of people that will isolate themselves from what's going on in the middle east. But then again, the odds of getting rid of the current politicians are pretty big.
    Do you have anyone in mind?
     

    Azzurri7

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    Do you have anyone in mind?
    Riad Salame (The Governor of Lebanese National Bank)
    Ziad Baroud (Amazing work ethics)
    Chibli Mallat (Successful lawyer and great human right advocacy)
    Dima Sadek (Journalist, not sure if she would accept such roles but any of her likes is perfect for me)

    Many others.
     

    Eddy

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    Aug 20, 2005
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    As for the change, it's the system we want to change, it's risky but looking for a change was about time, it's no dictatorship like you said but it's Mafia, literally ruled by Mafia.

    There are extremely slim chances we'll go in the same route Egypt Libya and Syria went to, and the people we want in power are the exactly type of people that will isolate themselves from what's going on in the middle east. But then again, the odds of getting rid of the current politicians are pretty big.
    :tup:

    The organizers are doing a hell of a good job as well.

    My only fear is that it takes only one guy to fuck it all up, which will then give the clowns in parliament an excuse for further complicated scenarios.
     

    ReBeL

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    Jan 14, 2005
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    Riad Salame (The Governor of Lebanese National Bank)
    Ziad Baroud (Amazing work ethics)
    Chibli Mallat (Successful lawyer and great human right advocacy)
    Dima Sadek (Journalist, not sure if she would accept such roles but any of her likes is perfect for me)

    Many others.
    I read once that Riad Salameh is one of the biggest Mason characters in Lebanon.
    Dima Sadek? Does she really have followers and fans? I thought she is a very normal anchor, but of course this is what we see from outside Lebanon. You know more definitely. I will hear her words with more concentration next time :D
     

    GordoDeCentral

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    I don't know much about the situation in Lebanon, but for the sake of your people and your country (and this is of course only my opinion), I hope that never happens. The region is currently extremely unstable, everyone from those small extremist groups to the world powers is looking for their own interests and following their own agendas and what matters the least is people. I sincerely hope Lebanon doesn't get involved in the shit that is taking over the middle-east. Why not modifying the current system (and yours is far from the dictatorship in Egypt or Syria) instead of putting an end to it? I believe nothing is written better if started from the scratch because then everyone (even those who have genuinely helped putting an end to a previous malfunctioning system) will have their own versions of what should be written and how. It never had a happy end in Iran, nor in Egypt and Libya, and it evidently won't in Syria. Hope your people don't go down that road.
    people who still push for revolutions: :sergio:
     

    ReBeL

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    i challenge you to show me one revolution(not war for independence) in history that removed a dictator and another dictator didnt follow
    Revolutions are not one shot magic that will solve everything in one month. It needs time and great efforts to succeed, but it is worth it definitely. At least, the person who takes part in it will not die as a slave who knew nothing in his life except humiliation.
     
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    JCK

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    i challenge you to show me one revolution(not war for independence) in history that removed a dictator and another dictator didnt follow
    Or as in the case of Lebanon whoever comes afterwards will also be a bunch of thieves.
     

    GordoDeCentral

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    Revolutions are not one shot magic that will solve everything in one month. It needs time and great efforts to succeed, but it is worth it definitely. At least, the person who takes part in it will not die as a slave who knew nothing in his life except humiliation.
    so none? thats what i thought

    Or as in the case of Lebanon whoever comes afterwards will also be a bunch of thieves.
    the very essence of government is thievery, but they have to keep the masquerade going, can't have props falling(garbage not getting collected) illusion is necessary in this exercise
     

    Azzurri7

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    I read once that Riad Salameh is one of the biggest Mason characters in Lebanon.
    Dima Sadek? Does she really have followers and fans? I thought she is a very normal anchor, but of course this is what we see from outside Lebanon. You know more definitely. I will hear her words with more concentration next time :D
    I don't know If Dima has fans, but the woman makes sense when she writes, she wants secular system and points her finger on every individual politician that has in a way or another fvcked up the system, even when she interviews them. She's also pretty :D

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    Or as in the case of Lebanon whoever comes afterwards will also be a bunch of thieves.
    Thing is, we've never had replacements, at least not technically, Nabih Berre is the Parliament President since 1991 or 1992 if I'm not mistaken. The parties are now owned by the sons or brothers in-laws, so practically we never had a chance to make such a conclusion, removing these mafia (as I like to call them) from their chairs/power will only tell if you're correct.

    That said, the word thieves doesn't bother me much to be honest, thieves in power are everywhere, even in France, Germany and Austria for instance. I don't mind a politician thief that in parallel does what he is supposed to do, Rafic Hariri was the perfect example, he wasn't clean but the guy didn't give us chance to complain because he was providing goods back.
     

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