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[Eddy]

Yeah, I don't trust what he says mostly, he's a Meelanista

 

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[Seven]

Screw the West, I only care for Scandinavia; the best place on earth. I tell you, I hope all those that run it and live there are rewarded for their generosity in the hereafter regardless of their personal beliefs because they're champions of human rights.

Very much like Islamic countries. They are also champions of human rights.

I've posted this before, but here it is again:

DIRECTIONS IN POLITICAL MATTERS

The other major international question confronting us today is that of the determination of the form of government for a given region or country. Here, too, the guiding principles of Islam are so pertinent, weighty and elastic that their truth and- practicability become self evident. No one can deny that a particular form of government is considered suitable or unsuitable only when applied to a specific set of conditions obtaining, and it is idle to imagine that a particular political system can fulfil the needs of all people for all times. This is why Islam does not specify a particular form of government. It neither presents a democratic or socialist form, nor recommends kingship or dictatorship. Instead of dilating upon the methods of establishing governments, Islam enunciates the principle of conducting political and governmental affairs in a specific manner, and imposes the condition that, no matter what the form, the responsibilities of a government will always be discharged justly and fairly, with sympathy; always fulfilling and upholding basic human rights. Thus, instead of emphasising the first segment of the commonly accepted definition of democracy, i.e.; government, by the people:, Islam emphasises that, whatever the form of the government, it must in all events be for the people.

So when democracy is mentioned among other forms of government the real stress is laid on its quality. It is emphasized that it should not be a hollow democracy, but that those electing their rulers should be competent people, motivated in all honesty to elect only those who are really fit and equal to the task. This has been made a pre-requisite of any election to office by the Quran:

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Verily, Allah commands you to give over the trusts to those entitled to them, and that, when you judge between men, you judge with justice [17].

And then, whatever government may be established, it is obliged to govern with justice, without any discrimination of race, colour, or creed.

Now I shall briefly summarise the rules that flow from the basic fundamentals given in the Quran about any system of government:

1. A government is duty-bound to protect the honour, life and property of its people [18].
2. A ruler must always act with justice, between individuals and between people [19].
3. National matters should be settled by consultation [20].
4. Government must arrange to fulfil the basic needs of man: that is to say, provide him food, clothing and shelter [21].
5. People should be provided a peaceful and secure environment, and their lives, property and honour protected [22].
6. The economic system should be equitable and orderly [22].
7. Health care should be organised [22].
8. There should prevail total religious freedom [23].
9. A vanquished people must be dealt with justly [24].
10. Prisoners of war should be treated with compassion [25].
11. Treaties and agreements must always be honoured [26].
12. Inequitous agreements must not be forced upon the weak [26].
13. Muslim subjects are enjoined to obey the government in authority. The only exception to this rule is a case where the government blatantly opposes and prevents the carrying out of religious duties and obligations [27].
14. If differences should arise with the ruler, then these should be settled in the light of the principles enunciated in the Quran and by the Holy Prophet. In no event should one be swayed by selfish motives [28].
15. People are enjoined to assist the authorities by supporting schemes that aim to promote general well-being and welfare. It is forbidden to launch so-called non-cooperation movements [29]. Similarly, governments are obliged to assist in beneficent undertakings, whether individual or collective, and not to obstruct such endeavours.
16. A powerful country is forbidden from all forms of aggression against another country. Recourse to arms is permitted in self-defence only [30]

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18. Verily, Allah commands you to make over the trust to those entitled to them. Holy Quran 4:59.
19. And that, when you judge between men, you judge with justice. Holy Quran 4:59.
20. And whose affairs are decided by mutual consultation. Holy Quran 42:39.
21. It is provided for thee that thou wilt not hunger therein, nor wilt thou be naked . And that thou wilt not thirst therein, nor wilt thou be exposed to the sun. Holy Quran 119:120.
22. And when he is in authority, he runs about in the land to create disorder in it and destroy the crops and the progeny of man: and Allah loves not disorder . Holy Quran 2:206.
23.There should be no compulsion in religion. Holy Quran 2:257.
24.And let not a people's enmity incite you to act otherwise than with justice. Be always just, that is nearer to righteousness. Holy Quran 5:9.
25. 'It does not behove a Prophet that he should have captives until he engages in regular fighting in the land.' Holy Quran 8:68.
26. Then afterwards eitherrelease them as a favour or by taking ransom -until the war lays down its burdens. That is the ordinance.' Holy Quran 47:5.
27. 'Obey Allah. and obey His Messenger and those who are in authority among you.' Holy Qurdn 4:60.
28. 'And if you differ in anything among yourselves. refer it to Allah and His Messenger.' Holy Quran 4:60.
29. 'And help one another in righteousness but help not one another in sin and transgression.' Holy Quran 5:3.
30. And strain not thy eyes after what we have bestowed on some classes of them to enjoy for a short time.' Holy Quran 20:132.

source: http://www.alislam.org/books/distinct/index.html

Don't talk about democracy, if your rules talk about a ruler. Just a quick question: is there an islamic democracy in this world today?

 

[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

I haven't heard someone nicknaming Hitler- Hicho

Hićo or Ado.....that's our love-nick for him

 

[BarkuZ-yes i am an ass]

The part of Macedonia bordering Albania is dominantly muslim (Albanian) so it's not weird at all.

I'd say the part of world........

 

[Martin]

Martin -

Have you seen the christian party in the uk? Evil fucks they are...

It's obvious what this is. People projecting their own preferences onto "god" so they can gain the justification to enforce them. As someone said "isn't it curious that your god shares all your opinions and preferences".

# promotion of Biblical alternatives to the current criminal justice system, including emphasis on the role of witnesses over forensic evidence.

This is just hilarious.

 

[Ford Prefect]

Don't talk about democracy, if your rules talk about a ruler. Just a quick question: is there an islamic democracy in this world today?

doesnt that depend what you mean? If you mean a country where the religion of that state is islam but where people are meant to be democratically elected, theres loads. If you mean a country where islam is the rule of law, i do not think there are any or have ever been any.

 

[Seven]

It's obvious what this is. People projecting their own preferences onto "god" so they can gain the justification to enforce them. As someone said "isn't it curious that your god shares all your opinions and preferences".



This is just hilarious.

That's not hilarious. That's what I call a conspiracy.

doesnt that depend what you mean? If you mean a country where the religion of that state is islam but where people are meant to be democratically elected, theres loads. If you mean a country where islam is the rule of law, i do not think there are any or have ever been any.

No, you're talking about a secular state. That's not what Freddy wants. I'm talking about Islamic democracies. Democracies which are solely based on the Quran.

Are there such democracies, Freddy? Ze?

 

[Zé Tahir]

Very much like Islamic countries. They are also champions of human rights.




Don't talk about democracy, if your rules talk about a ruler. Just a quick question: is there an islamic democracy in this world today?

You have a selective reading problem and memory of a gold fish. Go enjoy your to your own voice Seven Jahl.

 

[Seven]

So are there Islamic democracies? Because the countries that I know that have Islam as an important part of their state structure are by no means Islamic. Is that yet another contradiction?

And it's not selective reading. It was the second line FFS.

 

[Zé Tahir]

So are there Islamic democracies? Because the countries that I know that have Islam as an important part of their state structure are by no means Islamic. Is that yet another contradiction?

And it's not selective reading. It was the second line FFS.

I've already spoken about current Muslim governments about a million times...that's where you either suffer from some sort of memory loss or you have selective reading.

I see you're desperately trying to make a connection between the current governments in the Islamic world with Islam overall and I would give in instantly had it not been for the fact that it was the same Islam that worked perfectly fine and still does but is suppressed by wide spread corruption. You won't find me defending any of the current "Islamic" regimes sir, you won't. And you're a fool for not realized this already. Take a gander at this and you'll see that I'm persecuted by the very same people you think I support.

If you read the lines before you read "ruler" you wouldn't make such a childish fuss over someone writing "ruler" and most importantly had you read the source mentioned at the end of that sentence you would have seen that there is NO mention of any type of government, the number of rulers, or the type of government.

19. And that, when you judge between men, you judge with justice. Holy Quran 4:59.

Again, if you didn't have selective reading you would see that it says Islam doesn't say what type of government there should be but that it provides for the people and provides its citizens with the rights listed above.

 

[Seven]

I've already spoken about current Muslim governments about a million times...that's where you either suffer from some sort of memory loss or you have selective reading.

If you read the lines before you read "ruler" you wouldn't make such a childish fuss over someone writing "ruler" and most importantly had you read the source mentioned at the end of that sentence you would have seen that there is NO mention of any type of government, the number of rulers, or the type of government.



Again, if you didn't have selective reading you would see that it says Islam doesn't say what type of government there should be but that it provides for the people and provides its citizens with the rights listed above.

That makes no mention whatsoever to one or many ruler(s).

Yet you have said that Islam says democracy is the way to go. This is too easy. The only thing I have to do is quote you. How can you possibly believe all this?

And wouldn't you expect an islamic democracy anyway? Because like you said, there are a hell of a lot of muslims. So you'd expect them to have a democracy somewhere. Yet they don't. Would that be because they live in the poorer retarded parts of the world? The only true question about Islam is: does Islam cause stupidity and poverty or do stupidity and poverty cause Islam?

 

[Zé Tahir]

Check my post again, I edited it.

 

[Seven]

Yes, but that argument fails, Ze.

I see poverty, tyrants and Islam on one side and I see wealth, democracy and secularism on the other. And it's not one or two countries. It's the world.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Yes, but that argument fails, Ze.

I see poverty, tyrants and Islam on one side and I see wealth, democracy and secularism on the other. And it's not one or two countries. It's the world.

So when people like myself and Fred as Muslims say that we don't like our governments and the fact that I show you from the Qur'an that we can have any form of government we want as long as certain requirements are met...what does that tell you? What does it tell you when thousands of Iranians are taking to the streets to fight for democracy? Are we all closet anti-Islamic? Or Muslims that want democracy in our home countries?

 

[Seven]

That's great. Now show me ONE example of such a democracy. It's not asking much is it? I can show you several democracies that represent my theory.

 

[bianconero]

Many cultures and countries in the west have large established and politically active muslims taking part in the democratic process. This is an on going organic process which I believe, as it did in the West, will spread out into and bring greater democracy to the Muslim societies mention on these pages.

Let's not forget, democracy in the west is relatively young.

 

[Zé Tahir]

That's great. Now show me ONE example of such a democracy. It's not asking much is it? I can show you several democracies that represent my theory.

There isn't one nor have I ever claimed that there is one

 

[Seven]

There isn't one nor have I ever claimed that there is one

That's rather amusing. Great theory then

You've got oppression, poverty and stupidity to show for it. We've got freedom, wealth and science. But hey, your Quran is doing a fine job

 

[Zé Tahir]

Seven Jahl.