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It's way too easy to blame the poverty all on the Soviet system though. There certainly was missmanagement and, especially under Stalin, horrible crimes, but what happened after the fall of the USSR under western guiding was arguably worse. The exploitive privatisations and destructive market policies that were forced upon Russia still determine much of what's happening there right now.
I agree, I should have worded what I said in a better way.
It seems slightly perverse to me for someone to brag about relatively minor technological developments which depended on developments in other industries and from other countries. (relatively minor meaning that once you've done the really hard part everything else is relatively minor unless viewed in isolation), meanwhile the competition managed the same and are one of the most developed nations in the world whilst you are stricken with corruption and poverty and an autocrat who is exacerbating the issues.
Unless i've missed some well hidden irony.
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I'd find it interested to see now from the future perspective and the longer reaching impacts of current events on the future (chaos theory), its too hard to pick something from the past - Crossing the Rubicon, debating the deceleration of independence, debating the treaty of Versailles et al.
It seems slightly perverse to me for someone to brag about relatively minor technological developments which depended on developments in other industries and from other countries. (relatively minor meaning that once you've done the really hard part everything else is relatively minor unless viewed in isolation), meanwhile the competition managed the same and are one of the most developed nations in the world whilst you are stricken with corruption and poverty and an autocrat who is exacerbating the issues.
Unless i've missed some well hidden irony.
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I'd find it interested to see now from the future perspective and the longer reaching impacts of current events on the future (chaos theory), its too hard to pick something from the past - Crossing the Rubicon, debating the deceleration of independence, debating the treaty of Versailles et al.
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Well I can say you this about Soviet technology and their powers. Soviet union never did anything for technology, they had loads of engineers and scientests, but their sole purpose was to copy tech from the west, they never did anything creative, their sole purpose was to steal or get their hands on something and then try to copy it. When I say all I mean all, everything, I have stories how they probed in institutes VHS and such devices 
And that's a true story, I know loads of people who were scientists or engineers in the soviet union, and were working throughout all of soviet union in St petersburg, Mascow and the like.
My uncle worked in some engineering factory that made things for the military air aviation (his unoficial job was to screw with faulty electronics so that it would pass the test. There were job titles as called magicians, they were responsible for doing similar things with military sealed tech, so that the faulty ones would not mess up the batch and the batc would not need to be redone, but end up in the end product), and the quality, work ethics and how things were done there would be laughable to any westerner who knows how a factory should work. The whole chain supply of parts and products was faulty and messed up, that's how shitty the industry was. Even you wanted to make an airplane with everything working it was not possible. And that goes for most industries.
There were loads of smart people, but the enviroment wasn't good for them in science field, because from the top no one wanted to invent or thought it was too hard maybe.
The soviet union had some good with it, but saying it was almost an utopia or even more to brag about soviet technological achievements is just ridiculous.
And that's a true story, I know loads of people who were scientists or engineers in the soviet union, and were working throughout all of soviet union in St petersburg, Mascow and the like.
My uncle worked in some engineering factory that made things for the military air aviation (his unoficial job was to screw with faulty electronics so that it would pass the test. There were job titles as called magicians, they were responsible for doing similar things with military sealed tech, so that the faulty ones would not mess up the batch and the batc would not need to be redone, but end up in the end product), and the quality, work ethics and how things were done there would be laughable to any westerner who knows how a factory should work. The whole chain supply of parts and products was faulty and messed up, that's how shitty the industry was. Even you wanted to make an airplane with everything working it was not possible. And that goes for most industries.
There were loads of smart people, but the enviroment wasn't good for them in science field, because from the top no one wanted to invent or thought it was too hard maybe.
The soviet union had some good with it, but saying it was almost an utopia or even more to brag about soviet technological achievements is just ridiculous.
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wtf 
Juventino[RUS];4516510 said:
Brainwashed Eastern Europeans 
angry that ussr put commies after WWII as leaders in ur countries
angry that ussr put commies after WWII as leaders in ur countries
You should thank USSR for the fact that you live in Klaipeda now, not in fucking Memel, only then you can open your mouth and say shit about USSR
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population in USSR through the years:
1920 - 137 millions
1927 - 147 millions
1933 - 162 millions
1941 - 196 millions
1946 - 170 millions
1951 - 182 millions
1959 - 208 millions
BUT GULAGS, BUT BUT BUT STALIN HAS KILLED 60 MILLION OF OWN PEOPLE, BUT BUT BUT BUUUTTTTTHURTED eastern europeans
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population in USSR through the years:
1920 - 137 millions
1927 - 147 millions
1933 - 162 millions
1941 - 196 millions
1946 - 170 millions
1951 - 182 millions
1959 - 208 millions
BUT GULAGS, BUT BUT BUT STALIN HAS KILLED 60 MILLION OF OWN PEOPLE, BUT BUT BUT BUUUTTTTTHURTED eastern europeans
That's not even up for debate.
The stories I heard from first hand witnesses about russian army and their actions are horrifying. Not saying any side is better in the war, but at least here in lithuania german soldiers were acting like mother teresas children when compared to russian animals.
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You are way beyond my dear commy friend, way beyond...
The stories I heard from first hand witnesses about russian army and their actions are horrifying. Not saying any side is better in the war, but at least here in lithuania german soldiers were acting like mother teresas children when compared to russian animals.
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You are way beyond my dear commy friend, way beyond...
WOW, you just hit the lowest point of your life
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/einsatz/lithuaniamurders.html
Look, I'm not talking about documentaries or some fairy tales, I am talking about personal expiriences of people who were living at that time when russian and german army were advancing through our lands. It's up to you to believe it or not.
Maybe I should have said that it was like this in general not every single one of the soldiers acted that way, but all in all it is true unless you prefer not to believe people who have nothing to gain from lying.
Maybe I should have said that it was like this in general not every single one of the soldiers acted that way, but all in all it is true unless you prefer not to believe people who have nothing to gain from lying.
no wonder that baltic counties celebrates nazis army days 
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the literary giant who wrote harrowingly about the Soviet gulag system, claimed the true number of Stalin’s victims might have been as high as 60 million.
Most other estimates from reputed scholars and historians tend to range from between 20 and 60 million.
In his book, “Unnatural Deaths in the U.S.S.R.: 1928-1954,” I.G. Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin.
In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.
Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev, a Soviet politician and historian, estimated 35 million deaths.
Most other estimates from reputed scholars and historians tend to range from between 20 and 60 million.
In his book, “Unnatural Deaths in the U.S.S.R.: 1928-1954,” I.G. Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin.
In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.
Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev, a Soviet politician and historian, estimated 35 million deaths.
Now i tell you who was Solzhnitsyn - he was nothing but traitor, check any stats about population of USSR, you will realize that they are lying to you about 60 millions and so on
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What they've done to your brain...holy mother of jesus christ.......and it was paradise in Romania.........LOL.........
Red Army in Romania, killing and raping women.....
Sad stories...
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Basicly anyone who disagrees or says anything from the official russian or whatever stalinist sources you get is a traitor? Doesn't that sound you any alarm bells?
Use your head if you still have one and try to think for yourself a bit, not only what the state and it's propoganda is preaching.
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Basicly anyone who disagrees or says anything from the official russian or whatever stalinist sources you get is a traitor? Doesn't that sound you any alarm bells?
Use your head if you still have one and try to think for yourself a bit, not only what the state and it's propoganda is preaching.