Never. We would lose our identity which is the reason why I love this club. Not trophies cabinet.
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I cannot speak for everyone here but the reason why I fell in love with this club back in the day wasn't just for the talents of players like Baggio, Vialli, and Del Piero. It was also for their grit and determination. It was for their will to bleed and sacrifice for the jersey.
That's what made Juve so appealing to me back then. I never want to see Juve turn into a club with a bunch of heartless soul-less mercenaries that are only wearing the jersey to make money like those players who sign with EPL clubs (namely Chelsea and City).
That's what made Juve so appealing to me back then. I never want to see Juve turn into a club with a bunch of heartless soul-less mercenaries that are only wearing the jersey to make money like those players who sign with EPL clubs (namely Chelsea and City).
I'm a bit worried by the lack of Italian talent and of Italians at Juve.
Right now our starting 11 (counting on Marchisio) has 5 Italians, all defenders, none of them young.
Buffon 37, Bonucci 28, Chiellini 31, Barzagli 34, Marchisio 29.
Chiellini may decline pretty soon, Barzagli God knows how many top years he still have, Buffon may have 3 more years..
We need to build a new Italian clan. Rugani is a good start. Sturaro and Zaza may be rotation players and even capable of being in the Italian team given the current mediocricy, but they don't seem to be able to become new bandieras.
It's our duty to sign the best Italian talent, we need to invest in this. Bringing Berardi back is a must. It is what Juventus is all about.
You look at the Italian NT and you get horrified by the absolute lack of talent.
Right now in Italy there is:
Dimarco (17) - Inter
Meret (18)
Calabria (18) - Milan
Scuffet (19)
Cerri (19)
Romagnoli (20) - Milan
Rugani (21)
Cataldi (21)
Benassi (21)
Bernardeschi (21)
Berardi (21)
De Sciglio (22) - Milan
Perin (22)
Verratti (22)
Sturaro (22)
El Shaarawy (22)
Gabbiadini (23)
Soriano (24)
Bertolacci (24)
Florenzi (24)
Insigne (24)
Zaza (24)
Darmian (25)
How many of these guys have WC talent? Can become stalwarts at Juve? Not many, definitely.
Man, missing on Verratti really hurts...
Right now our starting 11 (counting on Marchisio) has 5 Italians, all defenders, none of them young.
Buffon 37, Bonucci 28, Chiellini 31, Barzagli 34, Marchisio 29.
Chiellini may decline pretty soon, Barzagli God knows how many top years he still have, Buffon may have 3 more years..
We need to build a new Italian clan. Rugani is a good start. Sturaro and Zaza may be rotation players and even capable of being in the Italian team given the current mediocricy, but they don't seem to be able to become new bandieras.
It's our duty to sign the best Italian talent, we need to invest in this. Bringing Berardi back is a must. It is what Juventus is all about.
You look at the Italian NT and you get horrified by the absolute lack of talent.
Right now in Italy there is:
Dimarco (17) - Inter
Meret (18)
Calabria (18) - Milan
Scuffet (19)
Cerri (19)
Romagnoli (20) - Milan
Rugani (21)
Cataldi (21)
Benassi (21)
Bernardeschi (21)
Berardi (21)
De Sciglio (22) - Milan
Perin (22)
Verratti (22)
Sturaro (22)
El Shaarawy (22)
Gabbiadini (23)
Soriano (24)
Bertolacci (24)
Florenzi (24)
Insigne (24)
Zaza (24)
Darmian (25)
How many of these guys have WC talent? Can become stalwarts at Juve? Not many, definitely.
Man, missing on Verratti really hurts...
To begin with maybe, although I disagree generally with Italian players in regards to that. Clubs like ours become an attachment for foreign players over time as well, not all of them, but many stick around.
Of course if we not in the CL or challenging it goes without saying that even money can not be the draw, but that's the same for any club.
Of course if we not in the CL or challenging it goes without saying that even money can not be the draw, but that's the same for any club.
I excluded Italian players in that. And ofcourse some foreign players get attached over time naturally, shared and cherished experience and sporting culture. But what I meant is the draw and pulling powers of the top clubs. In parts the history and name, but mainly like everyone else in the world they want to get paid as well as possible and win accolades. Little room for fan romance and sentiment.
The other thing to note about Italian players is that they are notorious for peaking later, rather than showing up on the radar past youth football, and that is mostly because there is a gap between the Primavera and pro level which needs bridging.
Not having so many Italians playing in Serie A is the main issue here, especially when some alternatives are mediocre foreigners, but those foreigners also cost less, so become a better option for the relatively poor middle-lower end clubs.
Basically you have to select from a smaller pool, maybe 50% of what it was. So before there might be 4-5 Rugani's or Romagnoli's, now there are two. There is one Verratti, who had to be exported to blossom. There are 1-2 Berardi's (maybe Bernadeschi could be this level), 1 De Sciglio or Santon or maybe Calabria, who is the next hyped fullback. Basically a couple in each position, outside of that no depth. Luckily you only need about 16 players to win a tournament.
Keepers being an exception here, for some reason Italy is churning out several with the potential to be world class or very good (Perin, Bardi, Leali, Cragno, Scuffet, Provedel, Gollini, Meret, Audero, Donnarumma).
Not having so many Italians playing in Serie A is the main issue here, especially when some alternatives are mediocre foreigners, but those foreigners also cost less, so become a better option for the relatively poor middle-lower end clubs.
Basically you have to select from a smaller pool, maybe 50% of what it was. So before there might be 4-5 Rugani's or Romagnoli's, now there are two. There is one Verratti, who had to be exported to blossom. There are 1-2 Berardi's (maybe Bernadeschi could be this level), 1 De Sciglio or Santon or maybe Calabria, who is the next hyped fullback. Basically a couple in each position, outside of that no depth. Luckily you only need about 16 players to win a tournament.
Keepers being an exception here, for some reason Italy is churning out several with the potential to be world class or very good (Perin, Bardi, Leali, Cragno, Scuffet, Provedel, Gollini, Meret, Audero, Donnarumma).
Italian youth production is at a pretty low standard with only a couple big talents coming up. That said, that doesn't mean that Juve shouldn't branch outside of Italy to continue building the team whereas in the past they might focus on Italian players. Doesn't mean we can't adjust in a couple years should more talent come up.
