The Financial Situation (77 Viewers)

[Cheesio]

WOn't be satisfied until those two clubs gets relagated or wiped out. People forget how much this club and its fans suffered in 2006 because of these two clubs.
FFS our image in the football world is still tainted because of it.

 

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[s4tch]

And regarding the new TV deal that has to be negotiated in 2 yrs time,if this league continues to be a 1 horse league,we arent going to get a much higher deal than the current one.Its pretty simple.Need better teams to garner a greater level of interest.
If it means Milan or even Inter investing big,then so be it.Its much more satisfying beating a strong Milan than battering this current pussy-ass Milan.Not to mention they're the two best supported clubs in the country after Juventus so its only natural the league is going to draw more interest among Italian viewers(and foreign viewers) if we had better Milan teams.
Milan can have all their star players and attention they crave while we do our usual job in winning titles.How about that deal ?!

i'd rather see italian government stepping up their game and allowing/legally and financially supporting new stadium constructions, and figc building a successful youth system. a pumped up milan team would be just more disgusting, and italian football would remain shit as a whole. do not want.

i'd like to have a strong italian football, but a chinese investor would change fundamentally nothing.

 

[LiquidPLP]

The whole debate is just dumb tbh. It's not like it depends on us and it's not like it's out fault they suck. They did it all to themselves, unlike Juve. We were hit by a scandal where those two clubs should be relegated too but they got away with it, destroying Juve in the process.

We can't do shit about it either way. Both Milanese clubs have huge potential but they're throwing it away and it's their problem. Luckily there are some decently managed clubs like Napoli, Roma, Fiorentina and Sassuolo who seem to be on the rise, unlike Milan and Inter. This league can be attractive even without the Milanese clubs, it's just that it'll take some time for smaller clubs to close the gap on us. It's not like Inter and Milan can bounce back and be competitive in a year or two. It's not happening, no matter who takes over those clubs. They're in deep shit with a lot of debts and no infrastructure whatsoever.

 

[s4tch]

The whole debate is just dumb tbh. It's not like it depends on us and it's not like it's out fault they suck. They did it all to themselves, unlike Juve. We were hit by a scandal where those two clubs should be relegated too but they got away with it, destroying Juve in the process.

We can't do shit about it either way. Both Milanese clubs have huge potential but they're throwing it away and it's their problem. Luckily there are some decently managed clubs like Napoli, Roma, Fiorentina and Sassuolo who seem to be on the rise, unlike Milan and Inter. This league can be attractive even without the Milanese clubs, it's just that it'll take some time for smaller clubs to close the gap on us. It's not like Inter and Milan can bounce back and be competitive in a year or two. It's not happening, no matter who takes over those clubs. They're in deep shit with a lot of debts and no infrastructure whatsoever.

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[Elvin]

The whole debate is just dumb tbh. It's not like it depends on us and it's not like it's out fault they suck. They did it all to themselves, unlike Juve. We were hit by a scandal where those two clubs should be relegated too but they got away with it, destroying Juve in the process.

We can't do shit about it either way. Both Milanese clubs have huge potential but they're throwing it away and it's their problem. Luckily there are some decently managed clubs like Napoli, Roma, Fiorentina and Sassuolo who seem to be on the rise, unlike Milan and Inter. This league can be attractive even without the Milanese clubs, it's just that it'll take some time for smaller clubs to close the gap on us. It's not like Inter and Milan can bounce back and be competitive in a year or two. It's not happening, no matter who takes over those clubs. They're in deep shit with a lot of debts and no infrastructure whatsoever.

That's what I've been saying.

 

[LiquidPLP]

i'd rather see italian government stepping up their game and allowing/legally and financially supporting new stadium constructions, and figc building a successful youth system. a pumped up milan team would be just more disgusting, and italian football would remain shit as a whole. do not want.

i'd like to have a strong italian football, but a chinese investor would change fundamentally nothing.

Agree 100%. More than the Chinese investors, this league needs deep system changes which happened in all big leagues before but not in Italy. Youth system still sucks for example and the whole league would benefit from improving that sector. Clubs should be having 'B' teams in Serie B for ages now. Stadiums and infrastructure should be left on clubs shoulders but you have to make it much more easier for them that it is now. Let them build and invest and they'll be fine. Stadium attendances will grow and clubs will be collecting money from it.

 

[The Quazis]

Moratti,Cragnotti and the likes were using football clubs as their personal hobby.Investing tons on players with no income generation.

EPL is a pure business enterprise on the other hand and a hugely successful model like NFL and NBA in the US.They dont need to be bankrolled by sugardaddies unlike Italian clubs in the 90s.Its here to stay for the long run.

While rusks and arabs throwing money around for wages and transfers to make a profit... And also signing ridiculous deals like Etihad signed with City for the stadium and shirts. This is that business enterprise? Sooner or later it will end. Mo' monies mo' problems. The expectations in England will only grow and they will continue to suck fueling this circus. Not to mention the arabic investments could end due to some political reasons. Also, part of the BPL money will go to other leagues through transfers and the new tv deal will also increase the offers for other leagues.

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[catch22]

The TV deal is hurt a lot by the size of a lot of the clubs in Serie A. Sassuolo, Chievo, and Empoli are tiny clubs with small fanbases. Not to mention that Carpi and Frosinone are even smaller clubs than those three. These clubs are a hinderance when it comes to negotiating a TV deal.

There are clubs with big fanbases like Parma, triestina, Bari, Salernitana and Cagliari in the lower divisions. Even teams like Perugia, Brescia, Pisa, Cesena, Pescara, Padova, Leece, Foggia, Messina or Catania would be far better clubs in be in Serie A

 

[s4tch]

There are clubs with big fanbases like Parma, triestina, Bari, Salernitana and Cagliari in the lower divisions. Even teams like Perugia, Brescia, Pisa, Cesena, Pescara, Padova, Leece, Foggia, Messina or Catania would be far better clubs in be in Serie A

in these cases, fanbase has nothing to do with actual income or sporting success. parma with its relatively big audience has been driven into bankrupcy, bari has also had a tough time financially, etc.

italian football needs new stadiums, which will generate income, which income might be spent on players, then players will attract audience. that happened to juventus, too:
http://www.transfermarkt.com/juventus-turin/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/506

now the club has more spectators than in '05-06, when we did have a selection of world class players - and that's down to the stadium.

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btw did anybody read about agnelli family trying to sell their majority stake in fiat? il giornale started the rumors, here's an article in english:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/g...take-in-fiat-chrysler-automobiles-107609.html

 

[napoleonic]

bottom line is, italian football is in a deep shit because of their own fault and there's nothing we can do about it, no matter what our best hope is to emulate bayern and psg somehow.

 

[Vlad]

in these cases, fanbase has nothing to do with actual income or sporting success. parma with its relatively big audience has been driven into bankrupcy, bari has also had a tough time financially, etc.

italian football needs new stadiums, which will generate income, which income might be spent on players, then players will attract audience. that happened to juventus, too:
http://www.transfermarkt.com/juventus-turin/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/506

now the club has more spectators than in '05-06, when we did have a selection of world class players - and that's down to the stadium.

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btw did anybody read about agnelli family trying to sell their majority stake in fiat? il giornale started the rumors, here's an article in english:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/gac-rumored-to-buy-majority-stake-in-fiat-chrysler-automobiles-107609.html

Where does it say that Agnelli will sell their stake? I don't think that Chinese buying stocks and becoming one of the partners will necessarily mean that Agnelli will sell their stake, which atm is 29% in the ownership structure.

 

[s4tch]

Where does it say that Agnelli will sell their stake? I don't think that Chinese buying stocks and becoming one of the partners will necessarily mean that Agnelli will sell their stake, which atm is 29% in the ownership structure.

at first i read a hungarian synopsis of the original article, which apparently was wrong about implying allegri family's intentions. i checked the original article and while it talks about the chinese offer, there's no word about the agnellis.

http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/economia/ombre-cinesi-sulla-fiat-gac-studia-unofferta-1260134.html

sorry, my bad.

 

[Vlad]

at first i read a hungarian synopsis of the original article, which apparently was wrong about implying allegri family's intentions. i checked the original article and while it talks about the chinese offer, there's no word about the agnellis.

http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/economia/ombre-cinesi-sulla-fiat-gac-studia-unofferta-1260134.html

sorry, my bad.

 

[s4tch]

i might stop posting for today

 

[Buck Fuddy]

This league can be attractive even without the Milanese clubs.

I doubt it.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

The EPL success has little to do with real improvements in England. Even the stadiums there aren't the best either. The whole over-exploited commercial model will surely kill real football very soon. Unfortunately watching football ain't breathing, you can't have the same product for those who understand and those who do not. And sometimes those twos are in the opposite camp - so in order to put a 'performance' you can't play a real 'game'. In the old days football was war, these days even wars are games.

 

[Elvin]

I doubt it.

weren't milanese clubs shitty just like now when Roma and Lazio won Scudetti? It was pretty fuckin attractive.

 

[LiquidPLP]

I doubt it.

Every big league has some fallen giants. Those places will be taken by other clubs though. Happened to the likes of Liverpool etc.
Inter and Milan are in really deep shit and it doesn't look like their situation could improve. Both are trying to spend their way back to the top but with miserable results while their revenues keep going down. Their debts are growing very fast as a result. I think they're not that far from hitting no turning point, because nobody will want to spend like 300-500m just to pay off debts.

They need smart management on low budget to stop the bleeding but they just keep on spending money they don't have.

On the other hand you have a very well managed club like Napoli. Their fanbase is not as big as Inter and Milan but it doesn't matter that much because the trend is the opposite now. People lose their interest in Milan and Inter while Napoli grows. More importantly they look like they have a plan and they're executing it well enough I'd say. If they manage to keep Higuain and their team as a whole adding a few nice but cheap pieces, they should be fine. Milan and Inter are set for another disappointing year, switching coaches, players and generating unnecessary costs with hope that, this time it will pan out for them.

 

[s4tch]

even fucking manchester city generates so much hype that people watch them regularly, and buy their jerseys even when the team has 1 single marketable player (aguero is sexy indeed).

above all, the league itself has to be fancy for an ordinary football fan. serie a with their old stadiums, racist and bigot figc president, general racism in the stadiums, slow-tempo tactical matches are not sexy at all. i love serie a with the imbecile, still funny presidents, the history of the league, the traditional rivalry with milan clubs, the smart tactical approach of some coaches, but i get it when my primera liga fan brother says that he'd rather watch bilbao-sevilla or west ham-swansea instead of genoa-lazio on a random sunday afternoon.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

weren't milanese clubs shitty just like now when Roma and Lazio won Scudetti? It was pretty fuckin attractive.

Dunno.
But there's a difference between being shitty for a few years & being shitty for a decade or more.

Not that Milan has been shitty for too long already, but I kinda hope they somewhat recover.

Every big league has some fallen giants. Those places will be taken by other clubs though. Happened to the likes of Liverpool etc.

I don't know if we can consider Liverpool a fallen giant. Just last night they played a European final, even if it is only EL.
At least they come close to competing every once in a while.

Milan on the other hand...